The Charlie Kirk Thread

TamatoSoup said:
Never knew how many of my FB friends are eaten up with rightwing politics. Especially the women... lots of women are outraged... WTF. Bizzarro world.
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I posted a much longer post on the other Charlie Kirk thread, but I've also seen a lot of "Kirk was killed for standing up for biblical values, he's a martyr" stuff on facebook today. And I've been surprised at some of the people posting it, as they are people who usually don't post much about politics or culture war stuff. And no mention, of course, of all of the controversial and, yes, hateful things he's said over the years. But I guess it's to be expected.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I posted a much longer post on the other Charlie Kirk thread, but I've also seen a lot of "Kirk was killed for standing up for biblical values, he's a martyr" stuff on facebook today. And I've been surprised at some of the people posting it, as they are people who usually don't post much about politics or culture war stuff. And no mention, of course, of all of the controversial and, yes, hateful things he's said over the years. But I guess it's to be expected.
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Not to be too weird
But people get all wiggly when someone gets "assassinated"
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I posted a much longer post on the other Charlie Kirk thread, but I've also seen a lot of "Kirk was killed for standing up for biblical values, he's a martyr" stuff on facebook today. And I've been surprised at some of the people posting it, as they are people who usually don't post much about politics or culture war stuff. And no mention, of course, of all of the controversial and, yes, hateful things he's said over the years. But I guess it's to be expected.
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This is exactly why I don't want anyone taking any more shots at Trump. People have already been fashioning likenesses of him as a deity in various media and we definitely don't need him fast tracked to martyr or quasi-sainthood status.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
For the record, MAGA still believes both of these incidents were carried out by leftists, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, simply because it's what they want to be true. There are multiple examples of this on the old ZZL in the past 24 hours.
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Yep. Trump's shooter was a registered Republican, but good luck convincing Trumpers of it.
 
Twenty years from now...

Ramrouser: Do you remember where you were on 9/10?

Normal person: Come again?

Ramrouser: Do you remember where you were on 9/10?

Normal person: You mean, where was I the day BEFORE 9/11?

Ramrouser: No, where were you on September 10th, 2025, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated?

Normal person: Who the fuck is Charlie Kirk?
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Twenty years from now...

Ramrouser: Do you remember where you were on 9/10?

Normal person: Come again?

Ramrouser: Do you remember where you were on 9/10?

Normal person: You mean, where was I the day BEFORE 9/11?

Ramrouser: No, where were you on September 10th, 2025, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated?

Normal person: Who the fuck is Charlie Kirk?
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Lololol well done
 
Mulberry Heel said:
We don't even know who the killer is yet, but my facebook feed today has been filled with Trumper relatives, old high school friends and former coworkers, etc. writing paeans to Kirk as a wonderful Christian man who is now a martyr and was killed because he stood up for Jesus and traditional moral values and so on. To quote one of the posts I saw "I hope they all know that he wasn’t just shot by a crazy person. He was assassinated for his bold stand on the sanctity of life, the biblical view of men and women, American history, the constitution, and salvation. He is a martyr." And I'll say that I've been somewhat surprised by who has been posting this stuff, as some of them rarely post directly on politics or political topics.

And nowhere is there is a mention that this same "Christian" said some very narrow minded and un-Christian stuff on his shows. Just a sample:

It's "Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more"

"If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?"

"If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously"

On transgenders and gays: Being transgender "is a mental delusion", an "Abomination to God", and their very existence is "a throbbing middle finger to God", and he said that "God also calls for the stoning of gay people" and called it "God's perfect law."

"Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge" (he said just last month when Taylor Swift got engaged to Kelce)

In June 2025 he told a 14-year-old girl that women should go to college just to find husbands, or "get their MRS degree."

"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational"

"The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white"

"Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America"

"There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists"

And that's just a small sampling of what he's said over the years. None of that justifies him being shot of course, but to claim that he was some kind of saint while totally ignoring all of the incendiary and bigoted and sexist stuff that he's said is a denial of truth. And again, we don't even know who the killer is yet. But the process of turning him into a martyr for the right who was murdered by evil liberals is already well underway.
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Same on my feed.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised but I am.

At least they aren’t calling for war or our arrests for being democrats. The bar is pretty low in 2025.
 
nycfan said:
A week or so ago, VP Vance made a comment (that was widely misquoted) that a wise pollster told him that the problem with midterm elections for almost every sitting president was that midterm voters tend to be the angry people and MAGA voters are happy with the Trump Administration, so they don’t have that angry driver to get out and vote in the 2026 midterm.

Well, this assassination provides exactly what the Trump Administration was looking for — a martyr to inflame their supporters to act by voting. I am not saying they are happy this happened to Kirk or engineered it or something — I am just saying this is a terrible political “gift” they will whole-heartedly exploit.

@Ramrouser is getting dragged by some for saying 9/10 will be the 9/11 for a lot of young conservatives but I think that may not be hyperbole — and I think conservative politicians will absolutely feed that fire. At least in the social media under 30 MAGAsphere, Kirk is an immensely popular and influential figure. He could be a powerful martyr for millions of young men and conservative young women.

The eventual power of his martyrdom will depend on the extend to which it reaches outside dedicated MAGA Men and I to the broader population. As a purely crass political matter, that makes it vitally important to Trump, Vance and those who will use his martyrdom for their own purposes to whitewash and nice Kirk’s views — simplify his often extreme rhetoric to be anodyne support for traditional family values, patriotism, being a good Christian Dad and free speech advocate.

I doubt that Trump will mention that Kirk was a vocal supporter of releasing the Epstein Files — mentioning that will be considered in bad taste or something. Bringing up Kirk’s radical statements about gun rights and LGBTQ rights to exist and women’s rights outside a traditional motherhood role subject to the husband’s control will be treated as disrespect for the dead to sanitize Kirk’s martyrdom.

How dare you speak ill of the dead — even if you are quoting his own recorded words — will be a well worn cudgel.

The playbook is well worn for political martyrdom. Martyrdom is political sainthood.
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If that is the plan, then it is unlikely to work, as the election is still well over a year away, and I doubt these people will turn out to vote late next year just because of this. Trumpers will need to find some other incident or event that will outrage their base in the fall of 2026 if they expect to get their base out in large numbers to vote. Given how quickly the current political news cycle moves, this tragedy is very unlikely to get anyone out to vote next year who wasn't already going to vote anyway.
 
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