The Charlie Kirk Thread

King Hippo said:
Man, the right is really screwed up. Either you're spreading hate and fascism with your racist, bigoted and Christian nationalism views, or you're a racist, bigoted Christian nationalist who think members of the right are fascists because they aren't racist, bigoted and Christian enough.
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extremists always splinter and fight their own. It's part of the reason why it is hard for them to take power. Usually they are pulling each other down on the way up.
 
Ramrouser said:
He appears to be from a good family - but became self radicalized as an online leftist/ anti fascist. The bullet casings have numerous antifa slogans and song names. One of the casings had inscribed on it "Hey, fascist! Catch!" Well, mission accomplished. Charlie (whom Robinson believed to be a fascist and a "spreader of hate") caught the bullet. The online left (not here) now rejoices.

The issue is that the online left believe that "words are violence" and he expressed to a relative that Kirk was a spreader of hate. Thus, he (in his twisted mind) felt it reasonable to respond to Kirk's violence with violence of his own. Where did he get the idea that Kirk was a fascist? From virtually every Dem politician, media person, online writer and podcaster and strongly implied by the last President. Disagree with us all you want. Fight back against Trump's overuse of the Executive Orders, but quit constantly labeling MAGA fascists and Nazis or YOU are going to inspire future Robinsons to kill other conservative public figures. I mean if your democracy is a stake, isn't murder of MAGA justified?
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Fine. Don't call him a fascist. Based on his own words, call him a racist, misogynist, Christian Nationalist, bigot. But not a fascist. That's fair.
Murder is NEVER justified and Charlie Kirk was not a threat to democracy. He had every right to express his beliefs and engage in public debate.
He is also not a hero or a martyr. He is a victim. The victim of a detestable, senseless, violent act by a criminal. He deserves justice. So does every crime victim. Like Melissa Hortman, Gabrielle Giffords and Judge John Roll, Paul Pelosi, Melissa and Mark Hortman, the Emanuel AME Church victims, Heather Heyer and others. So do the many victims of Jeffrey Epstein, whose accomplices and co-conspirators have yet to be unmasked.
 
Just a moment to acknowledge the political space we inhabit

Republicans everywhere online right now are saying the shooter cannot be a Republican because he was against fascism. It's illogical to possibly support the Republican party and also be against fascism. Against fascism? Clearly not a Republican like us. And they are saying that with a straight face and without an ounce of embarrassment. Gee willikers.
 
altmin said:
extremists always splinter and fight their own. It's part of the reason why it is hard for them to take power. Usually they are pulling each other down on the way up.
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Yet, they control the US government and numerous states (FL, TX, AL, MS, AR, MO, TN, LA, SC, OK, WY, SD, ID, MT, ND, and others)……..and have a damn near stranglehold in states such as NC and GA.
 
Ramrouser said:
He appears to be from a good family - but became self radicalized as an online leftist/ anti fascist. The bullet casings have numerous antifa slogans and song names. One of the casings had inscribed on it "Hey, fascist! Catch!" Well, mission accomplished. Charlie (whom Robinson believed to be a fascist and a "spreader of hate") caught the bullet. The online left (not here) now rejoices.

The issue is that the online left believe that "words are violence" and he expressed to a relative that Kirk was a spreader of hate. Thus, he (in his twisted mind) felt it reasonable to respond to Kirk's violence with violence of his own. Where did he get the idea that Kirk was a fascist? From virtually every Dem politician, media person, online writer and podcaster and strongly implied by the last President. Disagree with us all you want. Fight back against Trump's overuse of the Executive Orders, but quit constantly labeling MAGA fascists and Nazis or YOU are going to inspire future Robinsons to kill other conservative public figures. I mean if your democracy is a stake, isn't murder of MAGA justified?
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Zoo_View said:
Yet, they control the US government and numerous states (FL, TX, AL, MS, AR, MO, TN, LA, SC, OK, WY, SD, ID, MT, ND, and others)……..and have a damn near stranglehold in states such as NC and GA.
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What aspects do those states have in common as far as educational aspects and demographics?
 
lawtig02 said:
THIS is the big story here. Kirk's death is a tragic story and I'm very glad his killer has been caught and will be punished, but that story PALES in comparison to statements like this from a man who sits right next to the Oval Office and has more power than pretty much anyone in the nation right now.

I don't care what random people say in response to Kirk's death. I wouldn't even care much if Miller said something like this at a time when Pubs were out of power. But I do care what people in positions of power say about Kirk's death. And I REALLY care what people like Miller, who have extraordinary, unprecedented power to upend the guardrails of our democracy, have to say about it.

We are in this bizarre world where the right wing recoils from comparisons to the Nazis and blames that rhetoric for Kirk's shooting, but conservatives themselves then invoke the Reichstag Fire immediately after Kirk's death, and the most powerful people in the country then AMPLIFY the Reichstag Fire rhetoric. Statements like this are completely unacceptable, but not a single person on the right will hold Miller to account for it.
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Milk and Cookies said:
Just a moment to acknowledge the political space we inhabit

Republicans everywhere online right now are saying the shooter cannot be a Republican because he was against fascism. It's illogical to possibly support the Republican party and also be against fascism. Against fascism? Clearly not a Republican like us. And they are saying that with a straight face and without an ounce of embarrassment. Gee willikers.
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Ramrouser said:
Disagree with us all you want. Fight back against Trump's overuse of the Executive Orders, but quit constantly labeling MAGA fascists and Nazis or YOU are going to inspire future Robinsons to kill other conservative public figures. I mean if your democracy is a stake, isn't murder of MAGA justified?
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1. If you want to stop being called fascists, there's an easy way to do that: stop being fascists. Objectively your movement has virtually all the hallmarks of fascism, if not all of them. Starting with the unwavering allegiance to a fuhrer who is treated as the source of all truth.

2. As for your second question, maybe. That's not a problem with our movement. That's a problem with your movement.

3. Here specifically is how you can stop being accused of fascism:

A. Stop deploying the military domestically.
B. Extend due process to everyone, per the constitution.
C. Stop lying to the courts
D. Stop with all the military shit, seriously.
E. Stop demonizing your political opponents with over-the-top accusations of treason. Quit with the Democrats are trying to destroy America. That shit has been going on for decades. You are really destroying America
F. Stop trying to rig elections with gerrymandering.
G. Stand up to the corruption consuming the government
H. Don't pardon insurrectionists
I. Don't tariff other countries because they have the wisdom to imprison their coup architects
J. Stop lionizing terrorists and insurrectionists
K. Stop harassing universities, media and law firms
L. Stop demonizing an out-group with crude stereotypes, demeaning language and ridiculous accusations
M. Stop trying to rewrite history with propaganda
N. Stop lying at every turn. The amount of lies and propaganda from your side would make Goebbels blush
O. Stop praising every authoritarian dictator in the world
P. Stop ignoring the laws that Congress passed, which are the laws of the land.
Q. Stop pardoning political allies for no reason other than they are allies
R. Stop firing professors over bullshit
S. Stop maliciously prosecuting enemies
T. Stop picking executive officers and US attorneys based solely on fealty with no regard to actual competence
U. Stop having agency officials cosplaying as military soldiers with guns
V. Stop having law enforcement wear masks and
X. Stop persecuting gay and trans people
Y. Stop your war on science
Z. Stop your stochastic terrorism and violence.

Any handful of these things would mark a regime as fascist. You've literally got 26 bullet points; you aren't going to contest them seriously because they are clearly true; and stop fucking complaining when people truthfully when you are described for who you are.
 
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