The Charlie Kirk Thread

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Ramrouser said:
Family friends report that T Robinson was “left on everything” in contrast with his family. Combine this with the “Hey fascist! Catch” and other anti fascist symbols and songs, no chance he killed Kirk because he wasn’t right wing enough. No Neo Nazi would say fascist catch my bullet.

Also, he’s 22 so 4 or 5 years from HS. People can change a great deal in that time - particularly if they live in the dark web.
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Lololol you’re trying so, so hard and it’s kinda adorable.

“Left on everything in contrast his family” is hilarious. What does that even mean? I’m “left on everything” in contrast with MY family and I’m still much further to the right than like 99.99% of everyone who votes democratic.

Just take the L on this one, man. You swung and missed on what the identity of this shooter would be, like you swing and miss on literally everything else here. Just take the L and hope that the rest of your political party actually is jolted awake by one of their own getting his throat blown off and turns down the rhetoric and temperature.
 
Callatoroy said:
I would think a racist, if truly a racist would have nothing but abhorrent views as it relates to race. Could you envision david duke speaking with that woman in such a manner.
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racism is a spectrum. One can have conscious or unconscious bias. If your line for who is and is not racist is David Duke, then you are setting the bar incredibly high.
 
CFordUNC said:
How is sharing someone’s own words “out of context”? Is there a different way to interpret someone saying that deaths from gun violence is a necessary sacrifice for us to have a Second Amendment?
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I was not referring to anything you said or anything recent on here. Instead someone mentioned he said he did not believe in empathy. He did say that. But he meant he thought it was impossible to see something through another's eyes. Instead he preferred the word sympathy. And yes, a person's own words can be edited to remove context. All I said here is there is an abundance of Kirk on video to look at to make your own conclusions. That was my point.
 
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President Trump said on Friday that the “radical left” was responsible for much of the political violence in the country, and appeared to excuse violence on the right by saying that it was driven by people who “don’t want to see crime.”

Mr. Trump’s comments, in an interview on “Fox & Friends” that ran for nearly an hour, expanded on a series of statements he had made since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist and political organizer. The president had seemed to excuse violence from right-wing or other supporters, while promising investigations into who was funding and organizing the left, suggesting the violence was somehow coordinated.
 
CFordUNC said:
How is sharing someone’s own words “out of context”? Is there a different way to interpret someone saying that deaths from gun violence is a necessary sacrifice for us to have a Second Amendment?
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Do you not grasp the meaning of that comment?
 
CFordUNC said:
How is sharing someone’s own words “out of context”? Is there a different way to interpret someone saying that deaths from gun violence is a necessary sacrifice for us to have a Second Amendment?
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Well it is true. I favor tougher gun laws. But clearly gun violence is a result of the freedoms the second amendment provides.
 
Ramrouser said:
Family friends report that T Robinson was “left on everything” in contrast with his family. Combine this with the “Hey fascist! Catch” and other anti fascist symbols and songs, no chance he killed Kirk because he wasn’t right wing enough. No Neo Nazi would say fascist catch my bullet.

Also, he’s 22 so 4 or 5 years from HS. People can change a great deal in that time - particularly if they live in the dark web.
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wmheel1287 said:
This is one of the most disconnected things I've ever seen you post. The rest of us who grew up in the South could name 30 people from our families who were racist to the core but could be kind or generous on occasion with people of another race.
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Maybe you and I see the definition of "racist" differently. I think the term is most frequently misused. I generally apply the literal definition of the word to its meaning and don't label people as racist for making a comment that happens to include race in it. Not in all cases, but that term is more defined by a person's actions than rhetoric. Most of what the left views as racist I view as bigotry.
 
Callatoroy said:
I'm not a kirk expert. I have spent the last two days trying to learn more about him. Is that what he said? Just like that? Is that the entire context? Why engage someone so compassionately as he did in that clip and make a comment saying black women don't have the brain processing power to be taken seriously? What sense does that make? That would seem to be completely contradictory.
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I would agree it’s contradictory. However, I think the word “enough” in Strange’s post is relevant.

I’m sure you can dig up the full clip. Also, the one talking about seeing a black pilot and wondering if he’s qualified. I’m not posting direct quotes for a reason, I don’t recall them off the top. But the internet will provide you all the context you need.
 
heel79 said:
I was not referring to anything you said or anything recent on here. Instead someone mentioned he said he did not believe in empathy. He did say that. But he meant he thought it was impossible to see something through another's eyes. Instead he preferred the word sympathy. And yes, a person's own words can be edited to remove context. All I said here is there is an abundance of Kirk on video to look at to make your own conclusions. That was my point.
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Fair enough, but that is dumb. Of course we can empathize with others.
 
Callatoroy said:
Maybe you and I see the definition of "racist" differently. I think the term is most frequently misused. I generally apply the literal definition of the word to its meaning and don't label people as racist for making a comment that happens to include race in it. Not in all cases, but that term is more defined by a person's actions than rhetoric. Most of what the left views as racist I view as bigotry.
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Claiming that high achieving women of color do not have the brain processing power to achieve those positions on their own is about as racist as it gets, from any perspective. The fact that he might open the door for one of those women in person doesn't make it not racist.
 
heel79 said:
Well it is true. I favor tougher gun laws. But clearly gun violence is a result of the freedoms the second amendment provides.
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Right, I hear that, but calling human beings “necessary sacrifices” is objectively a really distasteful/heartless comment at best and a pretty despicable thing to say at worst. I’m not sure that any of the families of the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of school children who have been blown away by gun violence over the last 20 years would be happy to hear that their kids were “necessary sacrifices” so that a bunch of wing nuts can have AR-15’s.
 
sringwal said:
racism is a spectrum. One can have conscious or unconscious bias. If your line for who is and is not racist is David Duke, then you are setting the bar incredibly high.
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My bar is based more on actions than rhetoric. Not excusing rhetoric but to me rhetoric has to go pretty far for me to label someone as racist. If you watched that clip, it wasn't just being nice. There was genuine or sincere compassion and empathy in his words. I think it is awfully difficult to fake sincerity. My point isn't to try to change anyone's perception of CK because I don't know enough about him. But given the deep love some have and deep hatred other have I wanted to learn more.
 
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Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs

Reporting on criminal justice
Tyler Robinson, the man arrested on suspicion of killing Charlie Kirk, was registered to vote but had never voted in any election, according to Ryan Sullivan, the clerk and auditor for Washington County, Utah, where the suspect lived.
 
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