The Charlie Kirk Thread

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As Brandy Zadrozny (a reporter who specializes in online extremism) said last night, you can find radical and violent leftist content online but it's well overshadowed by the ocean of rightest extremism, especially in the gaming and young male communities.

So the governor might be correct - it is just somewhat unlikely, which doesn't mean impossible. Right now I just don't trust anyone trying to put out a narrative of any kind.
 


I agree with Walsh here — a grieving widow should get some space to grieve but this was a political and intentionally divisive speech 
 I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t write it but in the end she delivered it.
 


This response should be unbelievable but it is representative of the alternate universe constructed by propaganda that some people choose to live in:

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nycfan said:


I agree with Walsh here — a grieving widow should get some space to grieve but this was a political and intentionally divisive speech 
 I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t write it but in the end she delivered it.
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She'll be stepping up it would appear.
 
farce© said:
This reminded me of an article about a podcast I read recently (I can’t find it not behind a paywall)

For years, experts and parents alike have debated how to get children off their devices. Limiting screen time, blocking apps and setting stricter household rules are common strategies. But what if the problem isn’t the technology itself but the loss of freedom to simply be a kid?

Hosts Richard Kyte and Scott Rada look at a revealing report from The Atlantic that asked children directly how they would spend less time online. The most common response was not more rules or stricter discipline — it was more unstructured play with friends, free from constant supervision.

The answers highlight a cultural shift. Over the past several decades, the independence once common for children — riding bikes across town, walking to the corner store or wandering through a local park — has steadily disappeared. Parents often cite safety concerns, and social norms reinforce the idea that letting kids roam is risky. Yet statistics show that many communities are actually safer today than in past generations.

The episode raises an uncomfortable possibility: children are not “addicted” to screens so much as they are starved for spaces where they can make choices and explore without adults hovering nearby. Smartphones, for all their flaws, offer at least the perception of autonomy. They allow young people to connect, interact and discover on their own terms — even if those experiences are shaped by algorithms.
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Interesting stuff. My best youth memories involve things like "following a creek"-see where it starts or ends. I lived in town-but we had creeks in town and they wandered through the woods. Or Driveway basketball games-or a random field touch football game
Never a parent in sight. Sometimes we had BB guns and occasionally firecrackers wrapped in melted plastic to "bomb" the creeks. Now we learned early shooting a bird actually sucked. And blowing up a crawdad sucked. But we learned that on our own .
I have 2 tenish year old grandsons-They are in organized basketball , soccer, even a Chess club. Always supervised. The parents take them on hikes a lot-usually on a semipaved path
As I got older we might find a Playboy magazine-woow that was fun . I don't want to think about it but I imagine my grandsons can click right to hard porn........uggghh
 
I feel sad for her as I would feel for any widow and mother of children who lost a husband and father so senselessly and so prematurely. And I understand that often times the grieving process involves lashing out. But she is using the exact kind of language that apparently turned her husband into target practice for a deranged lunatic. Very irresponsible IMO.
 
CFordUNC said:
I feel sad for her as I would feel for any widow and mother of children who lost a husband and father so senselessly and so prematurely. And I understand that often times the grieving process involves lashing out. But she is using the exact kind of language that apparently turned her husband into target practice for a deranged lunatic. Very irresponsible IMO.
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TBH, I worry for her that someone in power foisted that speech on her and perhaps in her grief she is not seeing clearly how divisive that passage of the speech is. I could certainly see that. OTOH, she is an adult who chose to marry Charlie Kirk, so these may be her personal beliefs that she wrote in order to be sure to express them. đŸ€·â€â™€ïž

I heard on CNN a weird story about how she and Kirk told by a family friend / pastor who seemed to think it was a great story of how they were meant for each other. Apparently she applied for a competitive position at TPUSA and put a lot of effort into it, talking endlessly to friends and family how much she wanted the job. She made the final interview stage and spent a lot of time prepping for the final interview with Kirk himself.

Their interview turned into a wide ranging conversation that lasted over two and a half hours and she thought it went really well. Then Kirk shocks her by saying Ericka, I can’t hire you — because I want to date you. She apparently told friends afterward she didn’t know what to make of it but the speaker said happily the rest is history and they ended up married with a beautiful family.

That story seemed kind of awful (the no job b/c I want to date you part) to me but seemed to delight the guy telling it.
 
I receive daily emails from several substack reporters.
This is yesterday's from Zeteo:

Charlie Kirk in His Own Words​

17 quotes you should read from the right-wing activist and Trump ally who was tragically shot and killed on Wednesday in Utah.​


Black people​

  • “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.” ()

Black pilots​

  • “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” ()

Black women​

  • “They're coming out, and they're saying, 'I'm only here because of affirmative action.' Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." ()

Civil rights​

  • “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.” ()

Death penalty​

  • "[Death penalties] should be public, should be quick, should be televised
 I think at a certain age, it’s an initiation
 At what age should you start to see public executions?"

Democrats​

  • “The Democrat Party supports everything that God hates.”

Empathy​

  • "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage."

Feminism​

  • “Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge."

Gay people​

  • “You might want to crack open that Bible of yours. In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture, is in Leviticus 18 is that, ‘thou shalt lay with another man shall be stoned to death.’ Just sayin’! So Miss Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19
 the chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

George Floyd​

  • “This guy was a scumbag.”

Great Replacement Theory​

  • “It's not a Great Replacement Theory, it's a Great Replacement Reality. Just this year, 3.6 million foreigners will invade America. 10-15 million will enter by the end of Joe Biden's term. Each will probably have 3-5 kids on average while native born Americans have 1.5 per couple. You are being replaced, by design.”

Guns​

  • “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”

Jews​

  • “Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews and now it’s coming for Jews, and they're like, ‘What on Earth happened?’ And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it.”

Martin Luther King Jr.​

  • “MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.”

Muslims​

  • “They aren’t even hiding their intentions. Muslims plan to conquer Europe by demographic replacement. Will Europe wake up in time?”

Palestine​

  • “I don’t think the place exists.”

Transgender people​

  • “You’re an abomination to God.”
 
nycfan said:
TBH, I worry for her that someone in power foisted that speech on her and perhaps in her grief she is not seeing clearly how divisive that passage of the speech is. I could certainly see that. OTOH, she is an adult who chose to marry Charlie Kirk, so these may be her personal beliefs that she wrote in order to be sure to express them. đŸ€·â€â™€ïž

I heard on CNN a weird story about how she and Kirk told by a family friend / pastor who seemed to think it was a great story of how they were meant for each other. Apparently she applied for a competitive position at TPUSA and put a lot of effort into it, talking endlessly to friends and family how much she wanted the job. She made the final interview stage and spent a lot of time prepping for the final interview with Kirk himself.

Their interview turned into a wide ranging conversation that lasted over two and a half hours and she thought it went really well. Then Kirk shocks her by saying Ericka, I can’t hire you — because I want to date you. She apparently told friends afterward she didn’t know what to make of it but the speaker said happily the rest is history and they ended up married with a beautiful family.

That story seemed kind of awful (the no job b/c I want to date you part) to me but seemed to delight the guy telling it.
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Found a video of that interview:

 
nycfan said:


I agree with Walsh here — a grieving widow should get some space to grieve but this was a political and intentionally divisive speech 
 I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t write it but in the end she delivered it.
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It’s who the right is. Always blaming the left for violence but them doing it and inciting it. Hell a conservative shot Trump in the ear and they still say it was a liberal.
 
farce© said:
This reminded me of an article about a podcast I read recently (I can’t find it not behind a paywall)

For years, experts and parents alike have debated how to get children off their devices. Limiting screen time, blocking apps and setting stricter household rules are common strategies. But what if the problem isn’t the technology itself but the loss of freedom to simply be a kid?

Hosts Richard Kyte and Scott Rada look at a revealing report from The Atlantic that asked children directly how they would spend less time online. The most common response was not more rules or stricter discipline — it was more unstructured play with friends, free from constant supervision.

The answers highlight a cultural shift. Over the past several decades, the independence once common for children — riding bikes across town, walking to the corner store or wandering through a local park — has steadily disappeared. Parents often cite safety concerns, and social norms reinforce the idea that letting kids roam is risky. Yet statistics show that many communities are actually safer today than in past generations.

The episode raises an uncomfortable possibility: children are not “addicted” to screens so much as they are starved for spaces where they can make choices and explore without adults hovering nearby. Smartphones, for all their flaws, offer at least the perception of autonomy. They allow young people to connect, interact and discover on their own terms — even if those experiences are shaped by algorithms.
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If you let your kid play outside for an hour unsupervised, you'd have multiple people in the neighborhood call the cops on you.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
both sides protect their narratives with everything they got and neither will accept much less admit it.... just what controlled sheep do
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I will admit. I have never wanted a suspect to be on the right more than this time.

It isn’t because of some us vs them thing. I am not about to gloat over it like it’s football game.

It is because so many people on the right are ready to oppress and even kill people over this. The rhetoric from the right over the last few days has been nothing short of terrifying.

We don’t know all about the mindset of the guy but it is pretty clear he wasn’t what the right assumed immediately after the shooting. That may have given us a little reprieve.
 
rodoheel said:
Whatever this kid's exact ideology turns out to be (and it may be a little incoherent) it's clear that he was hyper online. If nothing else comes from this maybe this can help us have a much-needed reckoning about how toxic online spaces are and how they incentivize and promote extremist rhetoric and action. Social media and other online spaces are rotting out kids' brains.
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"These extremists are being radicalized online" used to be a line really important to the right. When it's their side being radicalized, crickets. It's right wing religious and cultural radicalization whether it's in the middle east or in the midwest.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I will admit. I have never wanted a suspect to be on the right more than this time.

It isn’t because of some us vs them thing. I am not about to gloat over it like it’s football game.

It is because so many people on the right are ready to oppress and even kill people over this. The rhetoric from the right over the last few days has been nothing short of terrifying.

We don’t know all about the mindset of the guy but it is pretty clear he wasn’t what the right assumed immediately after the shooting. That may have given us a little reprieve.
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The kid that shot orange hitler in the ear was on the right but that didn’t stop them from blaming the left.
 
I don’t see how anyone who isn't full of crap can take what was written on the casings and do some basic research and come to the conclusion that he was radicalized by far left ideology. The guy thought the far right wasn't far right enough and was deep into that stupid online crap.
 
UNCatTech said:
I receive daily emails from several substack reporters.
This is yesterday's from Zeteo:

Charlie Kirk in His Own Words​

17 quotes you should read from the right-wing activist and Trump ally who was tragically shot and killed on Wednesday in Utah.​


Black people​

  • “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.” ()

Black pilots​

  • “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” ()

Black women​

  • “They're coming out, and they're saying, 'I'm only here because of affirmative action.' Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." ()

Civil rights​

  • “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.” ()

Death penalty​

  • "[Death penalties] should be public, should be quick, should be televised
 I think at a certain age, it’s an initiation
 At what age should you start to see public executions?"

Democrats​

  • “The Democrat Party supports everything that God hates.”

Empathy​

  • "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage."

Feminism​

  • “Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge."

Gay people​

  • “You might want to crack open that Bible of yours. In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture, is in Leviticus 18 is that, ‘thou shalt lay with another man shall be stoned to death.’ Just sayin’! So Miss Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19
 the chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

George Floyd​

  • “This guy was a scumbag.”

Great Replacement Theory​

  • “It's not a Great Replacement Theory, it's a Great Replacement Reality. Just this year, 3.6 million foreigners will invade America. 10-15 million will enter by the end of Joe Biden's term. Each will probably have 3-5 kids on average while native born Americans have 1.5 per couple. You are being replaced, by design.”

Guns​

  • “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”

Jews​

  • “Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews and now it’s coming for Jews, and they're like, ‘What on Earth happened?’ And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it.”

Martin Luther King Jr.​

  • “MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.”

Muslims​

  • “They aren’t even hiding their intentions. Muslims plan to conquer Europe by demographic replacement. Will Europe wake up in time?”

Palestine​

  • “I don’t think the place exists.”

Transgender people​

  • “You’re an abomination to God.”
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Yeah, it’s been absolutely hilarious the attempted lionization of this dude. It’s horrific the way that he died. He did not deserve to die the way that he died. Nobody does. But he, through his own choices, created the circumstances that made himself a target for a deranged lunatic. Of course, that does not mean that his death is his fault. It’s not. But it does mean that the folks trying to make this guy out to be some saint who was killed only because he claimed to love Jesus Christ, sound like goobers.
 
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