The Charlie Kirk Thread

Before I say anything else--Charlie Kirk did not deserve to die for his beliefs, his thoughts, or the things he said.

According to many Christians I know, there is no greater joy in death than dying for their faith.

Black Christian America has had a martyr for decades in MLK. White Christian America has been waiting decades for a martyr. They now have him. You can bet that in small town after small town in every nook and cranny of this nation, Charlie Kirk Avenue/Road/Street will be in every single one of them. Maybe in larger towns and cities as well.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not at all. Just applying common sense and not being shepherded by people trying to scare me and rile me up. Sure worked on you apparently


Here’s your boogeyman

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Just curious, what do you think it would take to overthrow our democracy?
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Dude. The boogey man is Trump.
This is one of his warriors. He definitely had a bunch of fools who couldn’t deliver, but why is that okay?
 
DougDaBroadcasta said:
Before I say anything else--Charlie Kirk did not deserve to die for his beliefs, his thoughts, or the things he said.

According to many Christians I know, there is no greater joy in death than dying for their faith.

Black Christian America has had a martyr for decades in MLK. White Christian America has been waiting decades for a martyr. They now have him. You can bet that in small town after small town in every nook and cranny of this nation, Charlie Kirk Avenue/Road/Street will be in every single one of them. Maybe in larger towns and cities as well.
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Charlie Kirk was a horrible horrible man.
 
Wow. At a memorial service.





He only did one semester … apparently of online classes.

 
BoonetheAiredale said:
I believe fear is the simple driving factor towards embracing a "strong man" approach to government. Fear of change, fear of not creating a better life, fear of other, all magnified by orders of magnitude by social media. The strong man's team recognizes this and responds accordingly. The fear is real, and reasonable. The amplification of this fear can be, if left unchecked, Country destroying.
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Yeah and at least 1920s/1930s Germany had the excuse of turning to a strongman after having gone through a brutal, costly war end with a punitive, embarrassing treaty, followed by an economic collapse and crushing inflation. They were ready to turn away from democracy because they thought democracy had failed all of them and they thought they literally had nothing to lose. As opposed to the modern USA, a country that for all its problems is prosperous, powerful, and at the top of the global world order, one that has been a democracy for its entire history and grown ever more rich and successful as a result, yet we still are becoming more miserable and more angry at each other to the point that people are willing to turn to a strongman mainly because we have let rich and powerful people divide us for the sake of their own ambition.
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
I believe fear is the simple driving factor towards embracing a "strong man" approach to government. Fear of change, fear of not creating a better life, fear of other, all magnified by orders of magnitude by social media. The strong man's team recognizes this and responds accordingly. The fear is real, and reasonable. The amplification of this fear can be, if left unchecked, Country destroying.
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For the "low-info" voter (many young voters fall into this bucket) this is definitely true. But theoretically a liberal president can appear strong, you don't have project authoritarian, or nationalistic or even populist views to come across as "strong".
 
I was just curious and trying to find out what Charlie Kirk said after prominent liberal figures died and googled "Charlie Kirk Jimmy Carter." This is what Google's AI bot spit out at me at the top of the page. WTF Google?

"On September 10, 2025, former President Jimmy Carter, who was in hospice care, passed away. Conservative activist Charlie Kirk was assassinated on the same day while speaking at an event in Utah. These events are connected only by their timing and the fact that both prompted flags to be lowered to half-staff."

Also, for those interested, Kirk was mostly complimentary personally of Carter after he died, though he called him a terrible President. But in typical Kirk fashion he couldn't help using it as an opportunity for more divisive rhetoric, saying "Jimmy Carter represents a type of Democrat that no longer exists. Christian, loving husband, and true patriot." Which of course is complete hogwash - there are numerous Democrats who pretty much indisputably fit that definition, including most obviously Joe Biden and Barack Obama.
 
We will be lucky to make it to the end of the month without massive campaigns to round up and persecute anyone who doesnt publicly memorialize Charlie kirk and vow unquestioned loyalty to Trump.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don’t know what to tell you other than read the room. A majority of voters apparently didn’t share your view that they (trump, Vance) were fascists or authoritarians. It doesn’t matter at all if trump and his cabinet can “handle” it because it isn’t about them. It’s about voters and whether they can handle it. The left has overused the labels so much they become meaningless. For a year and a half leading up to the election the left absolutely hammered trump as fascist and a threat to democracy, and even said if you vote for him you are supporting racism, fascism, etc. Yet they still voted for him because they don’t believe it because it became meaningless due to over-exaggeration and hyperbole. Continuing to beat that ineffective drum hasn’t worked and continuing to won’t work either. We could have a different conversation on another thread as to what it means and what would have to happen to overthrow the country. Not much more I can say on this topic but that the right isn’t going to tone down the rhetoric and the left can either continue the spiraling downward or use this as an opportunity to rebrand itself in a way that appeals to non hardcore righties and swing voters.
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Leaving aside the debate about what the labels mean and whether it's fair to apply them to Trump and Vance, it's hard for me to believe that the voters who swung to Trump did so because of perceived "over-exaggeration and hyperbole" when that's the exact same thing they were getting from the Trump side about the left. The left is evil and hates America, the left hates God and God hates the left, the left wants to cut your kids' genitals off, the left wants to let teachers indoctrinate your kids to be gay and trans, Democrats want to replace white people with minorities, etc. Why didn't that turn off the voters who were supposedly turned off by being told Trump was a fascist, etc?
 
theel4life said:
Where are all the MAGA folks to defend shit like this? You get ghost when we show this type of stuff.
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I have to say some of the quotes are taken out of context. This is just bad. The man clearly had a Hangul about race. I mean who does he think he is to question the blackness or lack there of Kamala or any person of color. His remarks about Floyd Affirmative Action and Juneteenth relay bother me. Indefensible imo. The comments themselves are racist,and looking like might have been a racist. Maybe not he Klan variety but probably the type of racist that Affirmative Action is for.
 
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