The Charlie Kirk Thread

[nycfan]

Yes, they strictly enforced the dress code. However, that dress code also allowed players to wear the name of a person who died while shooting at police worn on their helmets. As I mentioned, none did.

Four years later after blowback on the strict sticker policy (in no small part because of their tone deafness in 2016 about decals for the fallen officers).

 

[thebruinbleedstarheelblue]

because the current administration are snowflakes

 

[altmin]

I continue to struggle with why his motive matters. That said, I would imagine that since he is alive we will learn more. I don't expect it will change much other than one team gets to say, "See, it was your guy."

Why he did it means not an iota to me personally. What it means for the country is pretty serious though:





NYT

Vance hosts Kirk’s podcast with a parade of Trump officials.​

Trump administration officials on Monday responded to the activist Charlie Kirk’s assassination by threatening to bring the weight of the federal government down on what they alleged was a left-wing network that funds and incites violence, seizing on the killing to make broad and unsubstantiated claims about their political opponents.

Investigators were still working to identify a motive in Mr. Kirk’s killing, but the Republican governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, has said that the suspect had a “leftist ideology” and that he acted alone.

The White House and President Trump’s allies suggested that he was part of a coordinated movement that was fomenting violence against conservatives — without presenting evidence that such a network existed. America has seen a wave of violence across the political spectrum, targeting Democrats and Republicans.

On Monday, two senior administration officials, who spoke anonymously to describe the internal planning, said that cabinet secretaries and federal department heads were working to identify organizations that funded or supported violence against conservatives. The goal, they said, was to categorize left-wing activity that led to violence as domestic terrorism, an escalation that critics said could lay the groundwork for crushing anti-conservative dissent more broadly.

Some of the highest-ranking officials in the federal government used Mr. Kirk’s podcast, “The Charlie Kirk Show,” to lay out their plans.

From his official office at the White House, Vice President JD Vance served as a guest host of the podcast, inviting senior members of the administration, including Stephen Miller, the president’s top policy adviser, to praise Mr. Kirk while also detailing their plans to crack down on what they called leftist nongovernmental organizations. The show was broadcast on the television screens in the White House briefing room and in several West Wing offices.

 

[lawtig02]

Why he did it means not an iota to me personally. What it means for the country is pretty serious though:





NYT

Vance hosts Kirk’s podcast with a parade of Trump officials.​

Trump administration officials on Monday responded to the activist Charlie Kirk’s assassination by threatening to bring the weight of the federal government down on what they alleged was a left-wing network that funds and incites violence, seizing on the killing to make broad and unsubstantiated claims about their political opponents.

Investigators were still working to identify a motive in Mr. Kirk’s killing, but the Republican governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, has said that the suspect had a “leftist ideology” and that he acted alone.

The White House and President Trump’s allies suggested that he was part of a coordinated movement that was fomenting violence against conservatives — without presenting evidence that such a network existed. America has seen a wave of violence across the political spectrum, targeting Democrats and Republicans.

On Monday, two senior administration officials, who spoke anonymously to describe the internal planning, said that cabinet secretaries and federal department heads were working to identify organizations that funded or supported violence against conservatives. The goal, they said, was to categorize left-wing activity that led to violence as domestic terrorism, an escalation that critics said could lay the groundwork for crushing anti-conservative dissent more broadly.

Some of the highest-ranking officials in the federal government used Mr. Kirk’s podcast, “The Charlie Kirk Show,” to lay out their plans.

From his official office at the White House, Vice President JD Vance served as a guest host of the podcast, inviting senior members of the administration, including Stephen Miller, the president’s top policy adviser, to praise Mr. Kirk while also detailing their plans to crack down on what they called leftist nongovernmental organizations. The show was broadcast on the television screens in the White House briefing room and in several West Wing offices.

Yet another thing in the long, long, long list of things that would cause the Right to lose their ever-loving minds if a sitting Dem VP ever did.

 

[altmin]

i.e. it's not fun waking up as an American and hearing echoes of Feb 28, 1933 because some fucked up kid wanted to get his lulz with a rifle.

 

[nycfan]

The cross dresser part is unsubstantiated, but not the gay part. His lifelong "close friend" Clyde Tolson sure as hell acted like a life partner. They would go on vacation together. Hoover bequeathed his estate to Tolson. Tolson accepted the flag that draped Hoover's coffin. Tolson is buried a few yards away from Hoover.

Roy Cohn was a source of information about Hoover, and he was definitely credible on that particular subject. Cohn's take was that Hoover was too scared of his sexuality to act on it, but that's still confirming that he was gay or bi. As for the cross-dressing, you're right a lot of the published material relies on an unreliable witness, but Roy Cohn apparently told people about it before it became a topic of public discussion. Now, that's hearsay and unreliable I think, but it's more than just one witness. That said, it is not well established at all.

The homo/bisexuality seems pretty solid, even if there are people who deny it. Another piece of evidence: Lela Rodgers was his beard.

I don’t care all that much, but FTR it seems possible but unsubstantiated

Five myths about J. Edgar Hoover​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-j-edgar-hoover/2011/11/07/gIQASLlo5M_story.html

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The Truth About J. Edgar Hoover's "Cross-Dressing" - JSTOR Daily

The story of J. Edgar Hoover dressing in women's clothing is part of American myth, but it's truth maybe less revealing than what the gossip tells us about Hoover and his times.

daily.jstor.org

J. Edgar Hoover: Gay or Just a Man Who Has Sex With Men?

Clint Eastwood's film, "J Edgar," leave an ambiguous impression of the FBI director's close relationship with his deputy, Clyde Tolson.

abcnews.go.com

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JEH was an awful person completely unrelated to his sexuality so I won’t waste anyone’s time more on this. I just had read a good bit about it a while back (longer than I thought looking for links) when a movie about him came out. But screw him, just a terrible person with a lot of power that he abused rampantly.

 

[Bigs23]

i.e. it's not fun waking up as an American and hearing echoes of Feb 28, 1933 because some fucked up kid wanted to get his lulz with a rifle.

If it wasn’t this would have been something else.

 

[mpaer]

Among Americans aged 12 years and older, 47.7 million were current illegal drug users (used within the last 30 days) as of 2023.
This includes pot I believe

The rest is just capitalism at work
Where there is a demand three is a supply
Maybe we should work on drug addiction?

 

[nycfan]

Yet another thing in the long, long, long list of things that would cause the Right to lose their ever-loving minds if a sitting Dem VP ever did.

The Dems did disgust a lot of people when they turned Paul Wellstone’s memorial service into what felt more like a political rally. And got dragged for it by media and GOP and some Dem politicians pretty mercilessly. His death and that behavior (and picking Walter Mondale to run in his stead?) probably cost the Democrats that seat (to Norm Coleman) at the time.

Coleman won in 2002 then went on to lose the seat to Al Franken by a hair in 2008.

 

[lawtig02]

The Dems did disgust a lot of people when they turned Paul Wellstone’s memorial service into what felt more like a political rally. And got dragged for it by media and GOP and some Dem politicians pretty mercilessly. His death and that behavior (and picking Walter Mondale to run in his stead?) probably cost the Democrats that seat (to Norm Coleman) at the time.

Coleman won in 2002 then went on to lose the seat to Al Franken by a hair in 2008.

Agree. And when the Pubs do 10x more than that at Kirk's funeral, I won't care much because that's what Kirk clearly would have wanted. The sitting VP hosting a podcast in which a slew of administration officials lay out the war they have planned against the left seems like a very different thing to me.

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

Agree. And when the Pubs do 10x more than that at Kirk's funeral, I won't care much because that's what Kirk clearly would have wanted. The sitting VP hosting a podcast in which a slew of administration officials lay out the war they have planned against the left seems like a very different thing to me.

Not saying it’s better or worse, just noting that Dems did get skewered for an arguably similar (if less aggressively divisive) behavior.

 

[nycfan]

 

[theel4life]

Just the opposite.

 

[theel4life]

“… A majority of home teams around the NFL held moments of silence for Charlie Kirk on Sunday, but the Bengals, Lions, Colts, Vikings and Ravens did not.…”

Why would they do that? He was a horrible person.

 

[nycfan]

“… Vance called out the “generous tax treatment” that George Soros’s Open Society Foundations and the Ford Foundation receive as he accused the groups of funding a “disgusting article” in the Nation magazine that he said was used to justify Kirk’s death.

Vance’s effort to link the two foundations to the article appears to be inaccurate. The Ford Foundation last provided a grant to the Nation for an internship program in 2019 but has not provided money since, according to online records. Bhaskar Sunkara, the president of the Nation, saidon X that the publication had never received funds from the Open Society Foundations.

Vance’s office, asked about his accusation, provided a link to a report about the Nation by a conservative group, which in turn cited a 2017 report about Open Society Foundations grants.

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L“There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk’s assassination,” Vance said, raising his voice during a broadcast from the White House on Kirk’s podcast, which he hosted.

“There is no unity with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk — a loving husband and father — deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagreed.”…”

 

[mynameisbond]

wonder how many of them were "radical left"?

 

[1moretimeagain]

My guess is Robinson will plead not guilty tomorrow and wait for a deal that avoids the death penalty. Not sure his attorney could aim for anything beyond that.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

“… It started Friday when the Associate Principal Cynthia Rehberg was included in a post on X by conservative influencer Ryan Fournier.

In the post, Fournier said Rehberg "celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk's assassination."

The post, which was later deleted, included a photo that showed Rehberg's school employee photo underneath a Facebook post made by Cynthia Irene.

… Tadlock said that the woman who posted it is not Rehberg. He also added that Rehberg does not have Irene as a maiden or middle name.

… The district received 800 voicemails as of Sunday morning from people angered, thinking Rehberg was the one who made the post. 12 News obtained some of the voicemails.

Many of the voicemails demanded that Rehberg be fired. A number of them even included death threats.…”

She should sue his ass and X.