The Charlie Kirk Thread

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One of the hardest things for people to do is to admit that you were wrong.
I never understand this. There is no dishonor in being wrong. Here's one way to think about it.

Einstein had three big ideas in his life. 1) the speed of light is invariant in all reference frames; 2) free fall and weightlessness are the same; 3) God does not play dice with the universe. The first led to special relativity; the second to general relativity; and the third was an argument against quantum mechanics that turned out to be wrong.

If Einstein of all people went 2/3, how it is a problem for people to admit they are occasionally wrong about minor things.
 
Ok I'll give you another grievance since you all think Dems are perfect.

Grassley just released documents detailing the FBI/DOJ's "Arctic Frost" investigation where the agencies targeted for investigation 92 Republican allied organizations including Kirk's Turning Points USA. Total weaponization of the DOJ/FBI.
No one has ever argued that the democrats are perfect.

Compared to trump almost everyone is better.

Everyone knew they were investigating the insurrection, why wouldn't they investigate potential players in what happened?

Maybe if the dems storm the capital and try to overturn an election, dem groups would be investigated.

Do you think that trump isn't investigating every democrat organization now, even though there isn't a case to attach them to?

Trump should have been banned from running again for his involvement in january 6th. I don't see the stretch here, this isn't the weaponization you claim.

And, like the right always wants to say: "If they had nothing to hide", then why wouldn't they welcome the investigation?
 
I gotta be honest. I've been staring at this for two minutes wondering what happened to produce it. I can't figure it out.
Just me being dumb. It's Kilmeade and homeless combined, ala trump and his names for people.

I probably shouldn't stoop so low.

Of course, I just noticed the typo, which didn't help.

I just changed it, wasn't funny anyway.
 
Great story, but there's nothing conservative about him. He lamented his dad being "MAGA". His "partner" was a male, living as a female, dressed like a dog. He repeatedly explains his actions against Kirk as "hate" motivated. His own mother said he had become more political and liberal over that last year.
that analysis/breakdown of the meaning of a bunch of relevant memes isn't a "story."

i didn't say he was conservative. your reading comprehension is awful. his "MAGA" mother's opinion is irrelevant and "lamented" is editorializing.

you are FOS, per usual.
 
Ok I'll give you another grievance since you all think Dems are perfect.

Grassley just released documents detailing the FBI/DOJ's "Arctic Frost" investigation where the agencies targeted for investigation 92 Republican allied organizations including Kirk's Turning Points USA. Total weaponization of the DOJ/FBI.
I've read some about Arctic Frost. Looks like it was an investigation into the individuals and organizations that were conspiring to keep Trump in office after he clearly lost the 2020 election (a fact which, if I recall, you have acknowledged, even if your boss did not).

I hope you would agree (notwithstanding your boss's complicity) that conspiring to keep a person in office who did not win an election is, if proven, a crime. I hope you would agree that it is the job of law enforcement to investigate potential criminal activity. And I hope you would also agree that the ONLY people and organizations who would have any interest in keeping Trump in office after his 2020 defeat would be Republican/MAGA in orientation.

If you agree with all of that, I cannot imagine what objection you would have to Arctic Frost being focused on Republican/MAGA individuals and organizations. And if you don't agree with any of that, you have some 'splainin to do.
 
That’s a pretty low bar. So did Bezos and Cook, and I wouldn’t call either of them MAGA.
That’s a pretty low bar. So did Bezos and Cook, and I wouldn’t call either of them MAGA.
Of course they are raving Trumpers in every meaningful way. Hell, they are far worse than Rogan. Rogan is stupid enough to believe some of the nonsense. Those two know better and lick Trump’s taint endlessly. Trump has a gold Apple trinket on his desk right now from Cook's latest prostration.

I dont define someone as a Trumper because they believe in him or think he's a good leader. I define a Trumper as anyone who emboldens and enables him. I could give a shit less about Tim Cook's internal political beliefs. What matters are his public actions.
 
Comedian = serious.

"News" host = joking.

This is what I was talking about in a different post. At some point, it has to become exhausting stretching all semblance of logic and morality to defend one's team. That's what drove me away from the GOP a decade ago.
To be fair, the best mainstream "journalist" of the last decade is probably Jon Stewart.

And one could make a convincing case is that Fox News is best understood as a surrealist parody of an actual news service.

So maybe it's not as crazy as it seems?
 
Of course they are raving Trumpers in every meaningful way. Hell, they are far worse than Rogan. Rogan is stupid enough to believe some of the nonsense. Those two know better and lick Trump’s taint endlessly. Trump has a gold Apple trinket on his desk right now from Cook's latest prostration.

I dont define someone as a Trumper because they believe in him or think he's a good leader. I define a Trumper as anyone who emboldens and enables him. I could give a shit less about Tim Cook's internal political beliefs. What matters are his public actions.
Under that definition, Rogan is definitely MAGA. But I think there are good semantic reasons to distinguish enablers from avid supporters.
 
He attended Trump's inauguration.
OK. So did Tim Cook and Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos. I could spend hours criticizing the behavior of those guys and the rest of the billionaire Silicon Valley class who are willing to sell our future up the river for a chance to get a state-sponsored monopoly on AI or microchips or whatever, but it would not be fair to classify them in the same breath as dirtbag, long-time Trump diehards like Kid Rock and Kevin Sorbo. They are sucking up to Trump opportunistically and to curry favor, not because they have secretly been MAGA berserkers all along.

It is not productive or helpful for liberals/leftists to try to paint every single person who has voted for or bent the knee to or refused to oppose Trump as dyed-in-the-wool MAGA warriors. There is plenty of legitimate opprobrium to direct at these people for, as the case may be, their naivete or cowardice or cynical pursuit of profit or callousness towards the actual well-being of our country and its people. But in terms of hopefully one day moving past MAGA to a saner and more reasonable country, we have to distinguish between the true pieces of shit seeking to build and support an imperial, punitive Presidency and those who are are not true believers but have gotten pulled into at least semi-alignment with parts of Trump's agenda for various reasons. The only way to get us back on the same page is going to be for the latter groups of people, along with the rest of the country, to have their eyes opened (or forced to pretend like their eyes were open) to the destructive and disastrous effects of the MAGA movement. Not with liberal revenge fantasies when literally everyone who ever supported Trump in any respect is metaphorically stripped naked and marched through the streets while we pelt food at them.
 
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