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Carolina Fever said:
One of my neighbors has a tree in their yard with leaves that have already started turning red.
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Oh we have a couple trees that have been shedding for over a week-full fall colors
I am no botanist-but I think they are "sweet gum ball trees"
In my totally ignorant opinion the last Heat wave Blast set it off
 
It ain’t the heat it’s the humidity. And that’s what will make North America uninhabitable in the not too far off future. There will be pockets left of habitable climate - though still sticky, as you people call it - in Western NC and East Tenn. Roan Mountain for one example. Also way up north in Maine… Canada, etc.

But as far as Atlanta, Columbia, Chapel Hill? Forget it. You’ll have to have gills to breathe. No need to even talk about New York, Chicago, Florida, Texas, California… or anything else in between
 
Centerpiece said:
It ain’t the heat it’s the humidity. And that’s what will make North America uninhabitable in the not too far off future. There will be pockets left of habitable climate - though still sticky, as you people call it - in Western NC and East Tenn. Roan Mountain for one example. Also way up north in Maine… Canada, etc.

But as far as Atlanta, Columbia, Chapel Hill? Forget it. You’ll have to have gills to breathe. No need to even talk about New York, Chicago, Florida, Texas, California… or anything else in between
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What do you define as the "not too far off future"? I don't think most of the places you mentioned are going to be anywhere close to "unihabitable" 9at least due to natural causes) any time in the next few hundred, probably few thousand years.
 
rodoheel said:
What do you define as the "not too far off future"? I don't think most of the places you mentioned are going to be anywhere close to "unihabitable" 9at least due to natural causes) any time in the next few hundred, probably few thousand years.
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It’s just some studies done at Penn State and Columbia Universities (and some others) done back in 2020, 2022, 2023, etc. talking about a “Wet Bulb” or a sort of humidity “dome” for lack of another term. Basically just more Climate change/Global warming trends, etc. same old same old. Nothing really new. It’s a bit about 95 degree temps coupled with 100% humidity making it nigh on impossible for humans to survive.

“It has been widely believed that a 35°C wet-bulb temperature (equal to 95°F at 100% humidity or 115°F at 50% humidity) was the maximum a human could endure before they could no longer adequately regulate their body temperature, which would potentially cause heat stroke or death over a prolonged exposure.

Wet-bulb temperature is read by a thermometer with a wet wick over its bulb and is affected by humidity and air movement. It represents a humid temperature at which the air is saturated and holds as much moisture as it can in the form of water vapor; a person’s sweat will not evaporate at that skin temperature.

But in their new study, the researchers found that the actual maximum wet-bulb temperature is lower — about 31°C wet-bulb or 87°F at 100% humidity — even for young, healthy subjects. The temperature for older populations, who are more vulnerable to heat, is likely even lower.”

There was a timeline and a correlated map showing that some parts of WNC and East Tenn. may be ok… when other areas are “below the water mark” so to speak. Probably just more left wing propaganda which we won’t be subjected to any longer once Trump and gang get their way with “science”
 
Centerpiece said:
It’s just some studies done at Penn State and Columbia Universities (and some others) done back in 2020, 2022, 2023, etc. talking about a “Wet Bulb” or a sort of humidity “dome” for lack of another term. Basically just more Climate change/Global warming trends, etc. same old same old. Nothing really new. It’s a bit about 95 degree temps coupled with 100% humidity making it nigh on impossible for humans to survive.

“It has been widely believed that a 35°C wet-bulb temperature (equal to 95°F at 100% humidity or 115°F at 50% humidity) was the maximum a human could endure before they could no longer adequately regulate their body temperature, which would potentially cause heat stroke or death over a prolonged exposure.

Wet-bulb temperature is read by a thermometer with a wet wick over its bulb and is affected by humidity and air movement. It represents a humid temperature at which the air is saturated and holds as much moisture as it can in the form of water vapor; a person’s sweat will not evaporate at that skin temperature.

But in their new study, the researchers found that the actual maximum wet-bulb temperature is lower — about 31°C wet-bulb or 87°F at 100% humidity — even for young, healthy subjects. The temperature for older populations, who are more vulnerable to heat, is likely even lower.”

There was a timeline and a correlated map showing that some parts of WNC and East Tenn. may be ok… when other areas are “below the water mark” so to speak. Probably just more left wing propaganda which we won’t be subjected to any longer once Trump and gang get their way with “science”
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I understand all that but when is the point the researchers were predicting that the wet bulb temperature would actually get to the point, consistently, when humans wouldn't be able to live in Atlanta, or Charlotte, or wherever? Keeping in mind that the wet bulb temperature periodically/occasionally reaching that point doesn't actually mean those places are "uninhabitable" it just means there may be times when it is dangerous to be outside, at least for any prolonged period.

I'm on your side here - I'm not trying to dispute the seriousness of the effects of climate change. Just trying to understand when people are actually predicting that humans won't be able to safely live in the Southeast US. 20 years from now? 100 years from now? 5,000 years from now?
 
rodoheel said:
I understand all that but when is the point the researchers were predicting that the wet bulb temperature would actually get to the point, consistently, when humans wouldn't be able to live in Atlanta, or Charlotte, or wherever? Keeping in mind that the wet bulb temperature periodically/occasionally reaching that point doesn't actually mean those places are "uninhabitable" it just means there may be times when it is dangerous to be outside, at least for any prolonged period.

I'm on your side here - I'm not trying to dispute the seriousness of the effects of climate change. Just trying to understand when people are actually predicting that humans won't be able to safely live in the Southeast US. 20 years from now? 100 years from now? 5,000 years from now?
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It was the usual “by 2050 we may see this and this if we don’t start making adjustments now” sort of prediction. We’ve seen it all before. Some doomsday stuff.

My comment earlier was just to make the point that with Trump and the science deniers in charge, and making headway towards rigging all elections moving forward so that actual scientists may never again take back their place of significance, then WTF are we to do?

Agree, you and I are on the same team. I was just being snarky cuz I’m pissed off at the world right now. (And we have a cabin on Roan Mountain and that was one of the few places they were predicting one might survive) 😎🤓 When the shit finally hits the fan I’ll DM you the location. Bring a gun and supplies.
 
Centerpiece said:
It was the usual “by 2050 we may see this and this if we don’t start making adjustments now” sort of prediction. We’ve seen it all before. Some doomsday stuff.

My comment earlier was just to make the point that with Trump and the science deniers in charge, and making headway towards rigging all elections moving forward so that actual scientists may never again take back their place of significance, then WTF are we to do?

Agree, you and I are on the same team. I was just being snarky cuz I’m pissed off at the world right now. (And we have a cabin on Roan Mountain and that was one of the few places they were predicting one might survive) 😎🤓 When the shit finally hits the fan I’ll DM you the location. Bring a gun and supplies.
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I've spent a couple nights at Roan Mountain state park; they have some pretty good (for state park) cabins you can stay in there.

ETA: and my larger point was just - don't despair more than we have to! Yes, there are a lot of things that suck right now; yes, we are literally playing with fire when it comes to the future of our planet; yes, I am really worried for my kids' generation. But I don't think we need to worry about most of the US becoming a burnt-out hellscape any time soon.
 
Centerpiece said:
It was the usual “by 2050 we may see this and this if we don’t start making adjustments now” sort of prediction. We’ve seen it all before. Some doomsday stuff.

My comment earlier was just to make the point that with Trump and the science deniers in charge, and making headway towards rigging all elections moving forward so that actual scientists may never again take back their place of significance, then WTF are we to do?

Agree, you and I are on the same team. I was just being snarky cuz I’m pissed off at the world right now. (And we have a cabin on Roan Mountain and that was one of the few places they were predicting one might survive) 😎🤓 When the shit finally hits the fan I’ll DM you the location. Bring a gun and supplies.
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We depend on Europe, South East Asia, and parts of the rest of the world to pick up the slack. Which won't be enough, but the scientists aren't going away; they just won't be here.
 
Centerpiece said:
I wish that felt like a consolation. And I guess it is…. I just don’t feel it.
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Maybe we needed a reminder of just why research is such an important field. Losing it makes appreciate what we have had, and hopefully will again. I think we’ve been taking things for granted. And because of that, we missed a pivotal swivel in the culture. Or perhaps it was always there and we just missed it because of the circles we ran in. The internet has taught me so much, and I don’t like most of the lessons.
 
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