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Yes.

The most famous of which, at least on the far right, Ray Epps, was convicted despite never actually entering the Capitol or crossing the police barriers.
He was charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor, got a year of probation after rallying the crowd at the demonstration. Hardly a textbook case of injustice.
 
He was charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor, got a year of probation after rallying the crowd at the demonstration. Hardly a textbook case of injustice.
It was an unnecessary charge. There were people at the BLM riots saying MUCH more inflammatory things that were never charged.
 
Were they the leader of an organization the equivalent of the Proud Boys?

By your standards Manson wasn't guilty of the Tate murders because he was never on the crime scene.
Ray Epps was the leader of Proud Boys or an equivalent?

Link?
 
The humanity!

This is the most famous? Is it also the most egregious?
He was acknowledged as a peace keeper. He literally tried to get those fighting with police to not fight with police. He never assaulted anyone, never crossed a police barriers and never entered the Capitol.

The people he was supposedly trying to fire up were laughing at him because they thought he was a Fed plant.

He shouldn't have been charged.
 
Ray Epps? The guy fox news, Tucker, Carlson, and the rest of the right wing conspiracy dumbasses said was an agent of the government, and just there to provoke the riot? And tried to link he wife to Dominion? That Ray Epps?

Pretty hilarious that's the name that comes up, the guy the right wing tried to use to prove the "deep state".
 
I don’t know.

I do know that over 1,000 of those convicted pleaded guilty to their charges.
You would too if faced with a conviction rate of 97.3% in the DC circuit for J6 defendants and face the possibility of even greater prison sentences.

You guys have a bind spot for a number of the J6ers who literally walked into the Capital for a few minutes; destroyed nothing; and then left. Regular folks who faced the substantial weight of the FBI and DOJ in pursing felony charges - and improper charges in the case of 8 USC 1512. You only focus on the cop beaters which virtually no one defends.
 
He was acknowledged as a peace keeper. He literally tried to get those fighting with police to not fight with police. He never assaulted anyone, never crossed a police barriers and never entered the Capitol.

The people he was supposedly trying to fire up were laughing at him because they thought he was a Fed plant.

He shouldn't have been charged.
Both left and right agree he was trying to fire up the crowd.
Misdemeanor doesn’t seem like such a miscarriage of justice.
Is that it, or are there others?
 
You're right. He was an Oath Keeper. Still radical right.
It was reported that he was the FORMER president of the Arizona chapter of Oath Keepers. He said he had quit because they became too radical. There were oath keepers at the capitol and they were dressed similarly and organized as a group. Epps was never with them.

His affiliation to a group doesn't change his behavior on that day.

The people who never engaged with police and weren't violent, but only trespassed, were treated differently than other trespassers on federal property.
 
Both left and right agree he was trying to fire up the crowd.
Misdemeanor doesn’t seem like such a miscarriage of justice.
Is that it, or are there others?
It was weird. He should have been the first one charged as he's on video firing up the crowd to charge the Capital. To which, the crowd responded by yelling "Feds" "Feds" "Feds." Only later was he charged and AFTER Tucker spent numerous hours questioning the lack of charges against him. Yes, he later tried to act as peacemaker but only after he tried to fire up the crowd.
 
I couldn't care less about the MLK and JFK files, so I guess I'm fine with that EO.
Same here. What exactly do the conspiracy theorists expect to come out of it? That the libs did it and have been hiding it? And if it's a big nothingburger, I can actually see that causing some Qanons to start rethinking the whole "deep state is out to get us" thing. If there's nothing substantive, it may be a blow to the MAGA cult. 🍿
 
On the "win" front, I will say that I have no problem with the arrests and deportations of illegals, especially those who have committed crimes. And I question why the Biden administration couldn't have done the same. There's no good reason for these people to be here. Sorry if that makes me a bad person for saying that.
 
On the "win" front, I will say that I have no problem with the arrests and deportations of illegals, especially those who have committed crimes. And I question why the Biden administration couldn't have done the same. There's no good reason for these people to be here. Sorry if that makes me a bad person for saying that.
I have no issue with it either.
But I’m pretty sure that this happened under the Biden administration as well.
 
3. Trump tariff “negotiating tactic” has already been proven to be bad for Americans as we pay more in mortgage interest than we should be doing.

There are no benefits of it yet that anyone can point to.

This “negotiating tactic” is a big fat L until it produces positive results (it won’t) that outweigh the negatives.
I would add that Trump's tariff threat has encouraged anticipatory price increases and has heightened uncertainty in the stock and bond markets.
 
On the "win" front, I will say that I have no problem with the arrests and deportations of illegals, especially those who have committed crimes. And I question why the Biden administration couldn't have done the same. There's no good reason for these people to be here. Sorry if that makes me a bad person for saying that.
Completely agree with you. Deport any illegal immigrants who commit crimes, post haste. No argument from me whatsoever there. I'm almost certain that the Biden administration did just that, as well. I just wish we'd leave the folks alone who are here to work hard, who pay taxes (and receive virtually no benefit from paying taxes by virtue of being non-citizens), and who comprise the backbone of our economy by doing a whole lot of important jobs that most of the rest of us don't want to do.
 
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