TikTok Ban in USA

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nycfan said:
Doesn’t his DOGE group have 50-50 leadership?

Usually, I might suggest that you may be mistaking Trump’s own intelligence for what Trump thinks of his supporters’ intelligence, but in this case Trump does seem to be promoting this as his idea in a way that indicates he wants credit for it. So I assume he think it is smart.

There are ways to structure well function joint ventures, though. I represent a huge one that is essentially operating independently of its two joint venture partners.
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Yeah, I should have added "for a multi-billion dollar joint venture between the US and Chinese governments." That's what Trump is clearly proposing, and I see no possible way it could ever succeed. Our interests are not even remotely aligned.
 
lawtig02 said:
Yeah, I should have added "for a multi-billion dollar joint venture between the US and Chinese governments." That's what Trump is clearly proposing, and I see no possible way it could ever succeed. Our interests are not even remotely aligned.
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Agreed
 
lawtig02 said:
I am the furthest thing in the world from an expert on TikTok but does anyone else remember when this first came up and congresspeople on both sides were skeptical we should be banning it. And then the intelligence community held closed door sessions with Congress and the members came out saying we can’t tell you what was discussed but we now all agree TikTok needs to be banned? And then the bill was passed and signed into law? I’m pretty sure I remember that.

The point is I have a strong feeling we don’t really know what national security risks TikTok poses, but they were enough to get this totally dysfunctional Congress all moving in the same direction.
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what i remember was people like AOC coming out and saying that they saw no compelling evidence that tiktok should be banned and she reiterated that stance yesterday.
 
4thgenheel said:
what i remember was people like AOC coming out and saying that they saw no compelling evidence that tiktok should be banned and she reiterated that stance yesterday.
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I don't track AOC closely but from what I'm seeing right now, that's not at all what she said yesterday.

www.yahoo.com

AOC Says TikTok Thanking 'President Trump' For Helping Restore App Is 'A Choice'

On Sunday, the social media platform thanked the incoming president while announcing it was back in the United States.
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Sunday in a series of Instagram story posts that TikTok referring to Donald Trump as “President Trump” while thanking him for helping it restore service in the United States was “a choice,” considering he’s a private citizen and not yet president.

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On her Instagram story, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that TikTok is “signaling that they have agreed to privately collaborate with Donald Trump and the Trump administration” by naming him in its notification.

“And for all of those concerns that people were saying that TikTok is going to be used as a propaganda tool by the Chinese, understand they’re using it as a propaganda tool for the right,” she added.

The New York lawmaker spoke further on that point in another post, saying that every “mass social media platform in the United States has been taken over by the right wing.” Elon Musk, owner of X, formerly called Twitter; Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta; and Shou Zi Chew, the CEO of TikTok, are set to attend Trump’s inauguration on Monday.

Ocasio-Cortez then ended with a warning to her followers.

“We are on the eve of an authoritarian administration,” she said. “This is what 21st century fascism is starting to look like.”

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And while she did come out against a ban in early 2023, that appears to have been largely because Congress had not yet been briefed, and the classified briefings followed shortly after that. It appears to me the bill that eventually became the law banning TikTok passed the House on a voice vote. Do you have any evidence AOC voted against that bill?

Not that any of this really matters because the bill was passed by large majorities of congresspeople from both parties regardless of what AOC thought about it, but I'm curious.
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't track AOC closely but from what I'm seeing right now, that's not at all what she said yesterday.

www.yahoo.com

AOC Says TikTok Thanking 'President Trump' For Helping Restore App Is 'A Choice'

On Sunday, the social media platform thanked the incoming president while announcing it was back in the United States.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Sunday in a series of Instagram story posts that TikTok referring to Donald Trump as “President Trump” while thanking him for helping it restore service in the United States was “a choice,” considering he’s a private citizen and not yet president.

* * *

On her Instagram story, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that TikTok is “signaling that they have agreed to privately collaborate with Donald Trump and the Trump administration” by naming him in its notification.

“And for all of those concerns that people were saying that TikTok is going to be used as a propaganda tool by the Chinese, understand they’re using it as a propaganda tool for the right,” she added.

The New York lawmaker spoke further on that point in another post, saying that every “mass social media platform in the United States has been taken over by the right wing.” Elon Musk, owner of X, formerly called Twitter; Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta; and Shou Zi Chew, the CEO of TikTok, are set to attend Trump’s inauguration on Monday.

Ocasio-Cortez then ended with a warning to her followers.

“We are on the eve of an authoritarian administration,” she said. “This is what 21st century fascism is starting to look like.”

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And while she did come out against a ban in early 2023, that appears to have been largely because Congress had not yet been briefed, and the classified briefings followed shortly after that. It appears to me the bill that eventually became the law banning TikTok passed the House on a voice vote. Do you have any evidence AOC voted against that bill?

Not that any of this really matters because the bill was passed by large majorities of congresspeople from both parties regardless of what AOC thought about it, but I'm curious.
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i deleted instagram yesterday so can't link it but she said verbatim in her stories that she saw no compelling evidence that tiktok was a security threat and that she voted against the ban.

i think she originally posted this stuff to her stories on saturday night, so its likely gone now.

here it is quoted in this news article: AOC claims ‘right wing’ has taken over social media after Trump-TikTok deal

On Saturday, the congresswoman recalled how the possibility of banning TikTok was brought up in Congress last year due to it being “a national security issue.” However, she argued “what was presented” to lawmakers voting to ban TikTok was not “compelling” nor “convincing.”
 
4thgenheel said:
i deleted instagram yesterday so can't link it but she said verbatim in her stories that she saw no compelling evidence that tiktok was a security threat and that she voted against the ban.

i think she originally posted this stuff to her stories on saturday night, so its likely gone now.
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Got it. Like I said, I don't really track her closely so she very well may have said that. I just can't find anything about it now. And in any event, while I like AOC on a lot of things, I'll defer to a whole lot of people over her when it comes to questions of national security.
 
lawtig02 said:
Got it. Like I said, I don't really track her closely so she very well may have said that. I just can't find anything about it now. And in any event, while I like AOC on a lot of things, I'll defer to a whole lot of people over her when it comes to questions of national security.
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i hear you re: AOC and her national security expertise. but she definitely said it, i just added a link and quote to my last post.
 
cool. deleted the link and will stay out of the conversation.
 
05C40 said:
I know I should be more upset about this than I am. But I'm not. Was never a subscriber/member/lurker in regard to TicTok. It always felt like it would be borderline creepy for an old man like me sitting around all day looking at videos of teenage girls. Was there actual more to TicTok than teenage girls posting videos of themselves?
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I’m not a young kid by any means, but I enjoy TikTok for a couple reasons.

Their algorithm is dialed in. So the content I see is what I want to see. Recipes, stand up, movie reviews, video games- not dancing teenagers, etc.

It’s also what I like to call “anti-social media”. Unlike IG and FB, I’m not seeing bad political takes from my cousin who ate paint chips as a kid, instead, just more funny pet videos from total strangers.

If you’re gonna burn through some free time, TT is the app to do it on, IMO.
 
Meh, China is only after our kids. No biggie. Wild answer



Sorry for duplicate, missed earlier post! Firehose of stuff tonight for sure.

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“… The newly inaugurated president also shrugged off national security concerns about the social media app when pressed by reporters in the Oval Office on Monday evening.

“TikTok is worthless, worthless if I don't approve it, it has to close. I learned that from the people that own it. If I don't do the deal, it's worthless, worth nothing. If I do the deal, it's worth maybe a trillion dollars, a trillion," Trump said.

… He continued to argue that there should be at least 50% U.S. ownership of the app, although he didn't make mention of the national security that prompted the app's ban in the first place. Trump notably called for a ban of the app due to national security during his first term.

"If I do the deal for the United States, then I think we should get half. In other words wait, I think the US should be entitled to get half of TikTok. And congratulations, TikTok has a good partner, and that would be worth, you know, could be $500 billion or something," Trump said. …”
 
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“… Trump also wrote off the concerns over the app sharing data with the Chinese government.

"But remember, they make telephones in China. They make all sorts of things in China. Nobody ever complains about that. Here they're complaining about this, so many different products made in China, nobody ever complained about the only one they complain about is TikTok," Trump said.

When asked by a reporter in the room why he changed his mind about the app, Trump said it was because he got to use it and said that the U.S. has "bigger" concerns.

"Because I got to use it. And remember, TikTok is largely about kids, young kids. If China is going to get information about young kids out of it, to be honest, I think we have bigger problems than that," Trump said. …”
 
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