TikTok Ban in USA
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lawtig02
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Reminds me of how, after meeting privately with Putin, Trump thought it was a great idea for the USA to cooperate with Russia to have Russia help investigate hacking of U.S. government and companies.
It's when he says stuff like this that I really do question Trump's raw intelligence. I mean, the guy has undoubtedly made a lot of money. He's lied, cheated and stolen to get a lot of it, and he's also lost a ton (and left countless creditors in the lurch), but I don't think it's common for a person with an IQ below 80 to amass a net worth of more than a billion dollars. But I know five year olds who can tell you why a 50-50 joint venture is an absolutely moronic idea, and why anyone with half a brain would never even consider it, much less propose it publicly for a multi-billion dollar venture. Maybe Trump has just managed to surround himself with enough smart people to overcome his own business idiocy. It's just incomprehensible that a truly smart person would say something like this.
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Doesn’t his DOGE group have 50-50 leadership?
Usually, I might suggest that you may be mistaking Trump’s own intelligence for what Trump thinks of his supporters’ intelligence, but in this case Trump does seem to be promoting this as his idea in a way that indicates he wants credit for it. So I assume he think it is smart.
There are ways to structure well function joint ventures, though. I represent a huge one that is essentially operating independently of its two joint venture partners.
lawtig02
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Yeah, I should have added "for a multi-billion dollar joint venture between the US and Chinese governments." That's what Trump is clearly proposing, and I see no possible way it could ever succeed. Our interests are not even remotely aligned.
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Agreed
4thgenheel
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what i remember was people like AOC coming out and saying that they saw no compelling evidence that tiktok should be banned and she reiterated that stance yesterday.
lawtig02
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I don't track AOC closely but from what I'm seeing right now, that's not at all what she said yesterday.
AOC Says TikTok Thanking 'President Trump' For Helping Restore App Is 'A Choice'
On Sunday, the social media platform thanked the incoming president while announcing it was back in the United States.
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Sunday in a series of Instagram story posts that TikTok referring to Donald Trump as “President Trump” while thanking him for helping it restore service in the United States was “a choice,” considering he’s a private citizen and not yet president.
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On her Instagram story, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that TikTok is “signaling that they have agreed to privately collaborate with Donald Trump and the Trump administration” by naming him in its notification.
“And for all of those concerns that people were saying that TikTok is going to be used as a propaganda tool by the Chinese, understand they’re using it as a propaganda tool for the right,” she added.
The New York lawmaker spoke further on that point in another post, saying that every “mass social media platform in the United States has been taken over by the right wing.” Elon Musk, owner of X, formerly called Twitter; Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta; and Shou Zi Chew, the CEO of TikTok, are set to attend Trump’s inauguration on Monday.
Ocasio-Cortez then ended with a warning to her followers.
“We are on the eve of an authoritarian administration,” she said. “This is what 21st century fascism is starting to look like.”
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And while she did come out against a ban in early 2023, that appears to have been largely because Congress had not yet been briefed, and the classified briefings followed shortly after that. It appears to me the bill that eventually became the law banning TikTok passed the House on a voice vote. Do you have any evidence AOC voted against that bill?
Not that any of this really matters because the bill was passed by large majorities of congresspeople from both parties regardless of what AOC thought about it, but I'm curious.
4thgenheel
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i deleted instagram yesterday so can't link it but she said verbatim in her stories that she saw no compelling evidence that tiktok was a security threat and that she voted against the ban.I don't track AOC closely but from what I'm seeing right now, that's not at all what she said yesterday.
AOC Says TikTok Thanking 'President Trump' For Helping Restore App Is 'A Choice'
On Sunday, the social media platform thanked the incoming president while announcing it was back in the United States.www.yahoo.com
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Sunday in a series of Instagram story posts that TikTok referring to Donald Trump as “President Trump” while thanking him for helping it restore service in the United States was “a choice,” considering he’s a private citizen and not yet president.
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On her Instagram story, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that TikTok is “signaling that they have agreed to privately collaborate with Donald Trump and the Trump administration” by naming him in its notification.
“And for all of those concerns that people were saying that TikTok is going to be used as a propaganda tool by the Chinese, understand they’re using it as a propaganda tool for the right,” she added.
The New York lawmaker spoke further on that point in another post, saying that every “mass social media platform in the United States has been taken over by the right wing.” Elon Musk, owner of X, formerly called Twitter; Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta; and Shou Zi Chew, the CEO of TikTok, are set to attend Trump’s inauguration on Monday.
Ocasio-Cortez then ended with a warning to her followers.
“We are on the eve of an authoritarian administration,” she said. “This is what 21st century fascism is starting to look like.”
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And while she did come out against a ban in early 2023, that appears to have been largely because Congress had not yet been briefed, and the classified briefings followed shortly after that. It appears to me the bill that eventually became the law banning TikTok passed the House on a voice vote. Do you have any evidence AOC voted against that bill?
Not that any of this really matters because the bill was passed by large majorities of congresspeople from both parties regardless of what AOC thought about it, but I'm curious.
i think she originally posted this stuff to her stories on saturday night, so its likely gone now.
here it is quoted in this news article: AOC claims ‘right wing’ has taken over social media after Trump-TikTok deal
On Saturday, the congresswoman recalled how the possibility of banning TikTok was brought up in Congress last year due to it being “a national security issue.” However, she argued “what was presented” to lawmakers voting to ban TikTok was not “compelling” nor “convincing.”
lawtig02
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Got it. Like I said, I don't really track her closely so she very well may have said that. I just can't find anything about it now. And in any event, while I like AOC on a lot of things, I'll defer to a whole lot of people over her when it comes to questions of national security.
4thgenheel
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i hear you re: AOC and her national security expertise. but she definitely said it, i just added a link and quote to my last post.
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Link would be better if accurate. This sentence is false:
What A Stupid Journey That Was - Aftermath
TikTok's whirlwind death and resurrection are a preview of what's to comeaftermath.site
"which required ByteDance to shut TikTok down in the US when it didn’t find a US buyer for the app by January 19"
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I didn't mean to attack you. Just the wrong info in the link.
Is TikTok still up? Is it accepting uploads of new material? How is it still up?
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I’m not a young kid by any means, but I enjoy TikTok for a couple reasons.
Their algorithm is dialed in. So the content I see is what I want to see. Recipes, stand up, movie reviews, video games- not dancing teenagers, etc.
It’s also what I like to call “anti-social media”. Unlike IG and FB, I’m not seeing bad political takes from my cousin who ate paint chips as a kid, instead, just more funny pet videos from total strangers.
If you’re gonna burn through some free time, TT is the app to do it on, IMO.
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No worries, it’s just the kids
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He likes em young
BluHevn
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Fuck them kids.
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“… The newly inaugurated president also shrugged off national security concerns about the social media app when pressed by reporters in the Oval Office on Monday evening.
“TikTok is worthless, worthless if I don't approve it, it has to close. I learned that from the people that own it. If I don't do the deal, it's worthless, worth nothing. If I do the deal, it's worth maybe a trillion dollars, a trillion," Trump said.
… He continued to argue that there should be at least 50% U.S. ownership of the app, although he didn't make mention of the national security that prompted the app's ban in the first place. Trump notably called for a ban of the app due to national security during his first term.
"If I do the deal for the United States, then I think we should get half. In other words wait, I think the US should be entitled to get half of TikTok. And congratulations, TikTok has a good partner, and that would be worth, you know, could be $500 billion or something," Trump said. …”
“TikTok is worthless, worthless if I don't approve it, it has to close. I learned that from the people that own it. If I don't do the deal, it's worthless, worth nothing. If I do the deal, it's worth maybe a trillion dollars, a trillion," Trump said.
… He continued to argue that there should be at least 50% U.S. ownership of the app, although he didn't make mention of the national security that prompted the app's ban in the first place. Trump notably called for a ban of the app due to national security during his first term.
"If I do the deal for the United States, then I think we should get half. In other words wait, I think the US should be entitled to get half of TikTok. And congratulations, TikTok has a good partner, and that would be worth, you know, could be $500 billion or something," Trump said. …”