Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. I could get behind that sort of thing but I guess it's ultimately on Trump and the judicial branch. If Trump gives Elon agency to slash programs Musk doesn't like, presumably with some direction from Trump on which programs should be cut, and the judiciary says it's okay, I guess we don't need no stinking audits or committees. And the voters can decide if they like that approach. I have a feeling they will like some of the decisions but on the whole, they won't like most of them.
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"And the voters can decide if they like that approach"

Will they be able to?
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I want the data to be the driver of sound decisions rather than a post hoc accounting of how big a fuck up some clowns committed.
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This is the way to do it. These healthcare agencies are audited regularly. It’s like the sanitary grade a restaurant receives from inspectors. The restaurant is checked and graded on a regular basis. So are health agencies. Any agency that receives government payments is audited. You can get away with fraud for a while, but you WILL eventually get caught. Depending on the level of fraud you can lose your licenses. You can also be fined. Not just the amount of the fraud, but also you will get slapped with penalties.
The problem we are dealing with now is people are proposing drastic changes to these programs who don’t a fucking thing about them. As someone who does have a background in healthcare, I’m worried.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Apparently you did not read what I said or did not care to. I said to name a person who has not been through election, vetting, or congressional approval.

You proceeded to name only people who have been through those exact processes.

Do you see me bitching about Trump or RFK having that power and access? No. They at least went through Democratic processes as much as I hate where they are.

There is NO objection to piercing a veil. These folks you support are figuaritvely the Iron Curtain falling across our governmental systems. They are the polar opposite of transparency.
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Okay. Apologies that I missed the continuation.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Well that's working its way through the courts but there are plenty of government employees and unpaid concerned American citizens that were not candidates, were not vetted, and were not congressionally approved. I don't think that really proves your point.
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??? This doesn't make any sense at all
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Doge going to make mistakes. Musk has acknowledged that.
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This is in no way acceptable. If Doge is going to make mistakes in the all-out blitz, the answer is not to say, "oh, shoot, what can we do when they fire our bird flu researchers and our nuclear arsenal technicians? Everyone makes mistakes."

The answer to hurl the DOGE idiots to the street and do things the right way: ask questions before shooting.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think that sort of analysis will lead to zero cuts which is what led to the bloat. I don't think that's great either.
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If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
 
tonman said:
If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
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I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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Certainly DOGes little computer analysts have NO CLUE who is or is not sitting around
 
tonman said:
If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
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Great post.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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This may have already been stated in another thread—the federal workforce has been roughly the same size (around 3 million workers) for the last 60 years or so.

The US population has nearly doubled during that time.

So as a percentage of the total workforce in the US, the fed government employs a far smaller share than ever before.

The idea that there’s “bloat” in the workforce is patently dumb.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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Do you really think there is no way to reduce headcount? Is that based on anything? Oh, right, you're you.

There are basically no federal workers sitting around doing nothing. Once during the Bush administration, they found an SEC staffer who was watching porn 40 hours a week. He was fired. There are always going to be a few people doing nothing, just like in every big private organization. But they either get transferred, fired, or they leave for elsewhere.
 
EyeballKid said:
This may have already been stated in another thread—the federal workforce has been roughly the same size (around 3 million workers) for the last 60 years or so.

The US population has nearly doubled during that time.

So as a percentage of the total workforce in the US, the fed government employs a far smaller share than ever before.

The idea that there’s “bloat” in the workforce is patently dumb.
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Population has doubled but productivity has tripled during that same 60-year. The idea that there's no bloat in the workforce is "blatantly" dumb.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Population has doubled but productivity has tripled during that same 60-year. The idea that there's no bloat in the workforce is "blatantly" dumb.
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Want to guess what has happened to the size of government in that time and the increased responsibilities put on it?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think this becomes one of those the enemy the good is the perfect situation. A month ago we didn't have any database of cuts that were being made or not made, even a bad database. There was no place that listed any of the cuts. Was anyone out there criticizing the fact that there was no database? I'd rather have what we have now than what we had a month ago And I'd rather have an easily searchable database with more details than what we have today. But I don't want to wait for that better database. I'd rather have the bad one now.
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If you prefer a database riddled with errors over no database, then you're more of a clown than I thought.

And how exactly would you have a database of cuts not made?

It's not as if the information about facilities -- to take one example -- isn't publicly available. Just because you don't know how to find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Here, let me help you with a 3 second google. Note: the GSA database is not exposing CIA black sites.

www.gsa.gov

Federal Real Property Public Data Set

Pursuant to the Federal Asset Sales and Transfer Act of 2016, GSA is publishing data from the Federal Real Property Profile Management System (FRPP MS), which is the federal government’s database of all real property under the custody and control of all executive branch agencies.
www.gsa.gov www.gsa.gov
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Maybe. And I'm guessing if it's a congressionally mandated program, the courts are going to clap back.

But if it is a situation where Congress, for example says we're going to give $2 billion to usaid to further democracy efforts, abdicating responsibility to the executive branch on what those specifics are, I think the proper role of the elected executive is to make those decisions and cut programs that are not benefiting the taxpayer.
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Article 1. The courts role is to defend Artilcle. Our democracy is hanging on a 5-4 balance with 2 of the "conservatives lol" siding with the Constitution.

Both Pubs and Dems in Congress are spineless. the People are trying - Dems need to pick of find a leader and they need to voice the Fact Checking against the Trump Flood the Zone Firehose of BS.
 
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