Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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gtyellowjacket said:
Doge going to make mistakes. Musk has acknowledged that.
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This is in no way acceptable. If Doge is going to make mistakes in the all-out blitz, the answer is not to say, "oh, shoot, what can we do when they fire our bird flu researchers and our nuclear arsenal technicians? Everyone makes mistakes."

The answer to hurl the DOGE idiots to the street and do things the right way: ask questions before shooting.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think that sort of analysis will lead to zero cuts which is what led to the bloat. I don't think that's great either.
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If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
 
tonman said:
If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
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I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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Certainly DOGes little computer analysts have NO CLUE who is or is not sitting around
 
tonman said:
If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
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Great post.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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This may have already been stated in another thread—the federal workforce has been roughly the same size (around 3 million workers) for the last 60 years or so.

The US population has nearly doubled during that time.

So as a percentage of the total workforce in the US, the fed government employs a far smaller share than ever before.

The idea that there’s “bloat” in the workforce is patently dumb.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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Do you really think there is no way to reduce headcount? Is that based on anything? Oh, right, you're you.

There are basically no federal workers sitting around doing nothing. Once during the Bush administration, they found an SEC staffer who was watching porn 40 hours a week. He was fired. There are always going to be a few people doing nothing, just like in every big private organization. But they either get transferred, fired, or they leave for elsewhere.
 
EyeballKid said:
This may have already been stated in another thread—the federal workforce has been roughly the same size (around 3 million workers) for the last 60 years or so.

The US population has nearly doubled during that time.

So as a percentage of the total workforce in the US, the fed government employs a far smaller share than ever before.

The idea that there’s “bloat” in the workforce is patently dumb.
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Population has doubled but productivity has tripled during that same 60-year. The idea that there's no bloat in the workforce is "blatantly" dumb.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think this becomes one of those the enemy the good is the perfect situation. A month ago we didn't have any database of cuts that were being made or not made, even a bad database. There was no place that listed any of the cuts. Was anyone out there criticizing the fact that there was no database? I'd rather have what we have now than what we had a month ago And I'd rather have an easily searchable database with more details than what we have today. But I don't want to wait for that better database. I'd rather have the bad one now.
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If you prefer a database riddled with errors over no database, then you're more of a clown than I thought.

And how exactly would you have a database of cuts not made?

It's not as if the information about facilities -- to take one example -- isn't publicly available. Just because you don't know how to find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Here, let me help you with a 3 second google. Note: the GSA database is not exposing CIA black sites.

www.gsa.gov

Federal Real Property Public Data Set

Pursuant to the Federal Asset Sales and Transfer Act of 2016, GSA is publishing data from the Federal Real Property Profile Management System (FRPP MS), which is the federal government’s database of all real property under the custody and control of all executive branch agencies.
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gtyellowjacket said:
Maybe. And I'm guessing if it's a congressionally mandated program, the courts are going to clap back.

But if it is a situation where Congress, for example says we're going to give $2 billion to usaid to further democracy efforts, abdicating responsibility to the executive branch on what those specifics are, I think the proper role of the elected executive is to make those decisions and cut programs that are not benefiting the taxpayer.
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Article 1. The courts role is to defend Artilcle. Our democracy is hanging on a 5-4 balance with 2 of the "conservatives lol" siding with the Constitution.

Both Pubs and Dems in Congress are spineless. the People are trying - Dems need to pick of find a leader and they need to voice the Fact Checking against the Trump Flood the Zone Firehose of BS.
 
Duke Mu said:
Article 1. The courts role is to defend Artilcle. Our democracy is hanging on a 5-4 balance with 2 of the "conservatives lol" siding with the Constitution.

Both Pubs and Dems in Congress are spineless. the People are trying - Dems need to pick of find a leader and they need to voice the Fact Checking against the Trump Flood the Zone Firehose of BS.
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Again we must ask: what the fuck do you want the Dems to do?

After 10 years of fact-checking Trump making no difference, what makes you think it will work now?

Here's what happened. After the pandemic, people romanticized life before the pandemic, and thus forgot about all of Trump's epic disasters. Voters somehow got it in their minds -- against all evidence to the contrary -- that Trump was a great, visionary leader who cares for his loyal flock and would lead the US to greatness. The basis of this view was Trump saying that he would lead the US to greatness.

The only way to break the spell is to let Trump fuck it all up. That's a really shitty solution but what are the options?
 
finesse said:
Want to guess what has happened to the size of government in that time and the increased responsibilities put on it?
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Some parts got bigger like IT and drug research while some parts got smaller like the military and the farm bureau. But I was specifically responding to our eyeball who said that our population had doubled while our government had remained the same size. It's just not that an informative of a measurement and really neither is mine.
 
EyeballKid said:
This may have already been stated in another thread—the federal workforce has been roughly the same size (around 3 million workers) for the last 60 years or so.

The US population has nearly doubled during that time.

So as a percentage of the total workforce in the US, the fed government employs a far smaller share than ever before.

The idea that there’s “bloat” in the workforce is patently dumb.
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Does “federal workforce” include consultants and contractors?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Just imagine it wasn't a very popular government program.

Imagine it was some guy in a Ramada inn conference room pitching a life-changing investment to you. All you need to do is give me 15% of your earnings for 40 years. I'll use that money to fund the retirements of the folks that were in the program before you but don't worry, the people that get in after you will be paying for your retirement. Would you invest in something like that or would you call the police?

And I don't think anyone is going to confuse Rogan with Tim Russert, but he did ask some pretty pointed questions about Social Security fraud. This is certainly better than just tweeting.
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That is about the dumbest hypothetical I have every seen.

I have far more faith in our government (at least I did before Trump) than I would have in some random guy in a Ramada Inn conference room. Of course nobody would ever trust a random guy to administer such a scheme.

Also social security has almost nothing in common with ponzi schemes. Ponzi schemes inevitably collapse. There is no reason a social security program acting under the parameters you describe must collapse.

There are challenges. We are facing one with baby boomers in retirement age and not enough young people paying in. Another is people living longer than expected. Another is government stealing from the social security system.

But if properly managed a social security system can last forever. Ponzi schemes cannot.
 
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