Trump Admin takes over D.C. Policing | Multiple people shot in DC, including two National Guardsman

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“Don’t pay attention to what these people actually said. The words don’t matter. You should be mad because I think they said something completely different than what was captured on video.”

I'm saying the wording doesn't change what I said.

In principle, of course the military shouldn't follow unconstitutional or illegal orders. How is any individual person going to determine what is legal or unconstitutional? Ask their superior? Ask SCOTUS? Do their own research online?

We drone terrorist leaders, which is apparently ok, but a member of the Air Force should know whether or not he/she can bomb a foreign drug boat?

 

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I'm saying the wording doesn't change what I said.

In principle, of course the military shouldn't follow unconstitutional or illegal orders. How is any individual person going to determine what is legal or unconstitutional? Ask their superior? Ask SCOTUS? Do their own research online?

We drone terrorist leaders, which is apparently ok, but a member of the Air Force should know whether or not he/she can bomb a foreign drug boat?

Who said anything about boats? If you are a member of the Army, for example, and your commanding officer orders you to shoot a handcuffed American citizen in the head, you are allowed to refuse that order and litigate it later. Reminding people of the law doesn’t mean that those people are currently breaking the law. If you tell your kids, “don’t do drugs”, it doesn’t mean that your kids are currently on drugs. It is just wise advice in case they are in a position in the future in which they are offered illegal narcotics. The fact that Trump and Republicans are outraged about the notion that soldiers don’t have to follow illegal orders is telling on them.

 

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1. It is really sad that the response to a shooting like this is "did he come in under Biden or under Trump," as if that matters. Did Biden or Trump review his file individually? Of course not.

2. Trump is pausing all processing for Afghanis because one guy did something wrong. That is literally the definition of racism. Why not stop processing applications for 20-something males? People with multi-syllabic first names? MAGA freaks, imagine if other countries didn't let you enter because that dude shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh. Just because he was white, and you're white, doesn't mean you and he do the same thing. You'd scream racism until your cows come home -- and rightly you should, in that case. And yet.

3. Once again, we see the math-challenged broadcast their silliness. You can take any set of people and find in it some criminal. The fact that somebody committed a crime proves that . . . a person committed a crime, and nothing more. To determine whether foreigners make the country safer or more dangerous, there is only one way: compare crime rates.

"this guy shouldn't have been here [note: begging the question] so we need to keep them out" is middle ages reasoning. In the 20th century, people figured out the concept of rates. Analysis by anecdote went out with the steam engine.