Trump Admin takes over D.C. Policing

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ZenMode said:
"But it’s unclear exactly how the president’s order for people sleeping outdoors to "move out, immediately" would actually work. "

Move out of the outdoors...so, move indoors?

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I see another chartered plane to Martha's Vineyard on the horizon.
 
lawtig02 said:
^ It's an effective strategy because there's no real way to rebut it. Trump can declare literally anything a crisis, regardless of whether it is or not, and very few people will do anything to check the facts. And if they do, Trump will just say the facts are wrong, and most Pubs trust him over any other source of information.

The most effective counter-strategy, in my view, is to ignore it. Or at least the parts that have an arguable connection to Trump's legitimate power, such as increased law enforcement in DC. Let him do that for a few weeks. It won't make a difference, nobody will feel safer, and Trump will move on to the next thing. The attention right now should be on (1) the clearly illegal and/or immoral aspects of what he's doing, such as moving homeless people into camps against their will, and (2) what Trump is using this to distract from. There's a reason the Obama shit has received almost no traction outside the far right infosphere. Most people are properly just ignoring it.

Now, I do think some cities could be governed better. Parts of DC are rough, no doubt about it. But DC could be the paragon of cleanliness and virtue and Trump would still be doing exactly what he's doing. This is not about DC. It's about (a) power, and (b) distraction.

ETA -- One more thing. More law enforcement could make a real and positive difference in Anacostia or Congress Heights. I don't blame the people who live there for cheering this on. I don't think that's at all what Trump intends to do, though. He said something yesterday about clearing the slums, which is problematic in its own right, but I'm almost sure the more visible law enforcement presence, if there is one, will be in high-traffic tourist and government zones. The point, after all, is not safety. It's spectacle. A show of force.
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I don't think it's really accurate to say Trump hasn't embraced a real problem and I don't think the right way to solve the problem is to ignore it.

The old joke was that Republicans can't govern and Democrats can't get elected. Republicans were the "stupid party" that embraced conspiracy theories and short sighted policies that didn't work in the long run. They still are but now Democrats have had some of the same poor governance issues. Many times, they are too beholden to special interests and party politics to get anything done. They failed on the border. They are failing on homelessness and crime. Ignoring those real issues isn't that different from saying they aren't really issues. Neither are going to work.

Ideally, Democrats take back the good governance mantle they had with Obama and Clinton. Those guys were willing to buck the special interests and were still able to get elected.
 
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Well this ought to get intersting real fast when all of the Gadsden flag waving patriots start showing up in droves to DC in order to keep the FedGov from treading on them! Should be any day now. Probably already have some of those convoys loaded up and on the way.

What's that you say?

The Gadsden flag folks aren't headed to DC? So many of my neighbors have that flag on their pickup trucks! It doesn't make sense!

But they insisted that they not be tread on by the federal government!

Someone please explain!!!

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gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think it's really accurate to say Trump hasn't embraced a real problem and I don't think the right way to solve the problem is to ignore it.

The old joke was that Republicans can't govern and Democrats can't get elected. Republicans were the "stupid party" that embraced conspiracy theories and short sighted policies that didn't work in the long run. They still are but now Democrats have had some of the same poor governance issues. Many times, they are too beholden to special interests and party politics to get anything done. They failed on the border. They are failing on homelessness and crime. Ignoring those real issues isn't that different from saying they aren't really issues. Neither are going to work.

Ideally, Democrats take back the good governance mantle they had with Obama and Clinton. Those guys were willing to buck the special interests and still get elected.
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I respectfully disagree if you are insinuating that Biden did not govern as well as Clinton and Obama. Biden was the most successful first term president in the last 60 years.
 
donbosco said:
"They failed on the border. They are failing on homelessness and crime."

Are you talking about Democrats?
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He is. That's why nobody pays him any attention. It's been too often for too long for ignorance to be the problem. He's a low information idiot.
 
MOUNTAINH33L said:
Well this ought to get intersting real fast when all of the Gadsden flag waving patriots start showing up in droves to DC in order to keep the FedGov from treading on them! Should be any day now. Probably already have some of those convoys loaded up and on the way.

What's that you say?

The Gadsden flag folks aren't headed to DC? So many of my neighbors have that flag on their pickup trucks! It doesn't make sense!

But they insisted that they not be treaded on by the federal government!

Someone please explain!!!

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Because they read the flag to say "Don't tread on me[, tread on them]"
 
The most effective strategy is to continue to hammer at Trump's weaknesses. This is what the right-wing does, to never let people forget about their bullshit.

Homeless in DC? Why? Because housing is so unaffordable, and Trump is making it worse. The problem isn't that there are homeless people in DC. It's that there are so many Americans who can't afford shelter. And that's your fault, Trump.

Crime? You mean like the theft of hard working Americans' wages with tariffs that make us pay higher prices? They are only talking about this to distract from the fact that they are making life pretty much worse in every way for the American people.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think it's really accurate to say Trump hasn't embraced a real problem and I don't think the right way to solve the problem is to ignore it.

The old joke was that Republicans can't govern and Democrats can't get elected. Republicans were the "stupid party" that embraced conspiracy theories and short sighted policies that didn't work in the long run. They still are but now Democrats have had some of the same poor governance issues. Many times, they are too beholden to special interests and party politics to get anything done. They failed on the border. They are failing on homelessness and crime. Ignoring those real issues isn't that different from saying they aren't really issues. Neither are going to work.

Ideally, Democrats take back the good governance mantle they had with Obama and Clinton. Those guys were willing to buck the special interests and were still able to get elected.
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Who exactly should get the credit or the blame for DC violent crime already being at a 30-year low?
 
The above posts remind me of what I have seen with respect to the misperceptions of people from small towns/rural communities regarding crime/safety in bigger cities.

I remember a friend of mine, who lived a few blocks from where I used to live in Charlotte, dated a guy who lived in a small town in a neighboring county. He told my friend how afraid he was for his safety when he came to her condo. He was always looking over his shoulder when he walked between his car and her condo. We laughed at that, as we viewed our neighborhood as being very safe and had no problem walking around it any time of day or night.

I once dated a woman from a small town about a 45-minute drive from Charlotte. When she decided to move from that town to Charlotte, her mom became very concerned for her safety. She thought she would be under constant attack from criminals. This person is the first person I had any kind of personal relationship with (be it friend, family, or a dating relationship) who had a handgun in their house. Before that, outside of my clients (people accused of crimes), I didn’t personally know anyone who owned a gun for protection. But when she moved to Charlotte her mom told her she would need to keep a gun handy in her home and know how to use it. (She never had to.)

And it’s not just people from smaller towns, but people in certain neighborhoods in cities who consume a great deal of right wing media. I have a good friend who grew up in a very nice neighborhood in Charlotte. When he became an adult and started living on his own (we were roommates in two different places in Charlotte), his mother was always worried that where he was living wasn’t safe. She basically though any part of town outside of her bubble (and maybe outside of most of southeast Charlotte) was unsafe. Then he moved to San Francisco about 20 years ago. When he recently came back home for the holidays, his extended family members/family friends— who consume a lot of right wing media— thought he was coming back from some horrible hellscape. They couldn’t believe he was surviving it. I went out to visit him in SF a few months ago. It certainly wasn’t anything close to a hellscape.
 
Icky Mettle said:
The above posts remind me of what I have seen with respect to the misperceptions of people from small towns/rural communities regarding crime/safety in bigger cities.

I remember a friend of mine, who lived a few blocks from where I used to live in Charlotte, dated a guy who lived in a small town in a neighboring county. He told my friend how afraid he was for his safety when he came to her condo. He was always looking over his shoulder when he walked between his car and her condo. We laughed at that, as we viewed our neighborhood as being very safe and had no problem walking around it any time of day or night.

I once dated a woman from a small town about a 45-minute drive from Charlotte. When she decided to move from that town to Charlotte, her mom became very concerned for her safety. She thought she would be under constant attack from criminals. This person is the first person I had any kind of personal relationship with (be it friend, family, or a dating relationship) who had a handgun in their house. Before that, outside of my clients (people accused of crimes), I didn’t personally know anyone who owned a gun for protection. But when she moved to Charlotte her mom told her she would need to keep a gun handy in her home and know how to use it. (She never had to.)

And it’s not just people from smaller towns, but people in certain neighborhoods in cities who consume a great deal of right wing media. I have a good friend who grew up in a very nice neighborhood in Charlotte. When he became an adult and started living on his own (we were roommates in two different places in Charlotte), his mother was always worried that where he was living wasn’t safe. She basically though any part of town outside of her bubble (and maybe outside of most of southeast Charlotte) was unsafe. Then he moved to San Francisco about 20 years ago. When he recently came back home for the holidays, his extended family members/family friends— who consume a lot of right wing media— thought he was coming back from some horrible hellscape. They couldn’t believe he was surviving it. I went out to visit him in SF a few months ago. It certainly wasn’t anything close to a hellscape.
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It is wild bc they will even ignore there on experiences and believe the right wing media over that too. My in laws just stopped visiting Seattle when we lived there even though nothing was ever wrong with their visits but it “wasn’t safe”
 
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