Trump Admin takes over D.C. Policing

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The study mentions "demographics" but doesn't factor race per se into the equation. Blacks commit more murders than latinos who commit more murders than whites. I've never seen a study that specifically mentioned asians but I'd guess that's less than whites. If that is true, I would expect states and cities with the highest concentrations of blacks to have a higher murder rate than a city with a less populous black community. Its also common sense that less accountability equals more crime than higher levels of accountability. Again, not mentioned in that article.
Are you talking on a per capita basis or raw numbers?
 
Jesus fucking Christ…Some weird shit in your head equates gay porn and “bestiality” porn and then spews it out as some sort of insult. You really don’t understand how fucked up some of the things you’re saying here are, huh?

Whatever it is that you’re struggling with I hope you find some peace. Until then, get fucked. Your toxicity does not belong here. 4chan or stormfront would be more your speed.
You really have to have that explained to you. A very small percentage of the overall population is gay. Thus, gay porn isn't likely to be popular to people that aren't gay. Even fewer people would be into bestiality so that wouldn't be popular either. You didn't seem to have any issues with midget porn though so I guess you are cool with that or are you in the midst of typing your rant to lawtig about his disparaging midgets. You are the classic hypocritical pos liberal. Loves throwing shit one way but cries like a bitch dog when its thrown back at you. Grow up and quit going through life looking for every opportunity to be offended.
 
Your characterization that they are harassing American citizens contradicts your claim that they are just taking selfies with tourists.

I'm not being hypocritical because I'm not seeing the harassment you keep touting.

They aren't going into those areas because they aren't trained to be in those areas, aren't carrying guns, and instead are designed to be a deterrent, hold potential criminals, and perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime. We aren't talking about Seal Team 6 here but it seems like that is your characterization of them. The National Guard goes into areas hit by natural disasters actually carrying guns to prevent looting and that seems acceptable to you. I'm sorry but you seem to be mischaracterizing the use of the National Guard and I don't grasp that based on what i have seen.
There are videos on this very thread of them doing both, actually: detaining delivery drivers and UberEats drivers making deliveries, detaining a woman from her vehicle at a checkpoint on 14th Street, and also just posted up taking selfies in front of Union Station. It's not an either/or. They're doing both. They're doing more of the latter, sure, but doing ANY of the former, to me, is a bridge too far. I am bewildered that anyone with any conservative bonafides at all would think that federalizing an American city using military personnel isn't overreach.

Your second paragraph yields valid points, but I'm confused as to what the whole purpose of this entire operation is, if it's not to actually reduce crime? There's no crime reduction happening by posting up on the National Mall. Nobody in Brentwood is criming any less because the National Guard is hanging out outside of the National Archives. So if the point is to reduce crime, then why not go where the crime is happening? And if the point is to perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime, who is actually doing the crime reduction part of the equation?

I truly desire to see the reduction or elimination of violent crime as much as anyone. I just truly do not support the utilization of federal military personnel to do so. I think there are plenty of better ways to do it, but the problem is those don't make for good sound bytes and clips on Fox and social media.
 

From former MAGA/Tea Party member Joe Walsh:

"I’m just so damn pissed off at all the consultants and the Democratic politicians and the Democratic pollsters and all the Democratic talkers and thinkers in the media saying:


All of these Democratic “smart people” are advising Democratic politicians not to fight Trump on crime, to which I say: BULLSHIT. Democrats, fight. Fight Trump on crime like you're learning how to fight him on immigration. Remember? That was another big issue that you weren’t supposed to touch because you didn’t poll real well on the issue of immigration. That was a winning issue for Trump.

Well, guess what? You began to push back on immigration. You began to push back on Trump disappearing people off of our streets…no due process…going into Home Depot parking lots, 7-Eleven parking lots.

And look here: Trump’s numbers on immigration are tanking. You know why, Democrats? Because you finally fucking took that issue on. Do the same thing here with this issue of crime, and Trump putting troops on the streets of D.C. Fight him on this issue!

Fight him on this issue—don’t back down. Don’t listen to the pollsters and the consultants. Most Americans do not want America’s military on the streets. Crime is bad in most American cities.

By the way, Washington, D.C., is the 21st most-violent city in America. Fight back against him with data and crime statistics. Fight back with him. We don’t want the military on our streets. That’s not what we do in America.

My God, Democrats. Fight! Don’t listen to the pollsters and the consultants and back down on another issue where the vast majority of Americans are with you, if you would just stand up and fight. Man, that’s what they wanted you to do with the transgender issue in the 2024 campaign, but you stayed silent.

Immigration and crime: you—we, excuse me—Democrats are a lot closer to where most Americans are than Trump and MAGA is. So fuck the consultants. Fight."
Fuck…I hate agreeing with Joe Walsh. But he’s spot on.
 
There are videos on this very thread of them doing both, actually: detaining delivery drivers and UberEats drivers making deliveries, detaining a woman from her vehicle at a checkpoint on 14th Street, and also just posted up taking selfies in front of Union Station. It's not an either/or. They're doing both. They're doing more of the latter, sure, but doing ANY of the former, to me, is a bridge too far. I am bewildered that anyone with any conservative bonafides at all would think that federalizing an American city using military personnel isn't overreach.

Your second paragraph yields valid points, but I'm confused as to what the whole purpose of this entire operation is, if it's not to actually reduce crime? There's no crime reduction happening by posting up on the National Mall. Nobody in Brentwood is criming any less because the National Guard is hanging out outside of the National Archives. So if the point is to reduce crime, then why not go where the crime is happening? And if the point is to perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime, who is actually doing the crime reduction part of the equation?

I truly desire to see the reduction or elimination of violent crime as much as anyone. I just truly do not support the utilization of federal military personnel to do so. I think there are plenty of better ways to do it, but the problem is those don't make for good sound bytes and clips on Fox and social media.
"There are no reports of the National Guard harassing people in DC. While the National Guard has been deployed to Washington, D.C. to support law enforcement, their role is primarily logistical and administrative, not to engage in direct law enforcement actions like arrests or harassment, according to CNN. They are assisting with tasks like transportation, communication, and maintaining a visible presence, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Support Role:
    The National Guard's mission is to support local and federal law enforcement agencies in DC.

  • Limited Direct Action:
    National Guard members are not authorized to make arrests or detain individuals, according to CNN.

  • Logistical and Administrative Support:
    Their duties include providing logistical support, transportation, and administrative assistance to law enforcement, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

  • Visible Presence:
    They are also providing a visible presence in the city, including areas like the National Mall and near monuments, according to ABC News.

  • No Weapons, as of Now:
    The National Guard troops have not been authorized to carry weapons, although this could change based on evolving orders.

  • D.C. Mayor's Statement:
    D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has stated that the National Guard will be deployed on federal property, not to make arrests, according to NBC News."
 
Given that the gop is more popular than the dim party what are you guys jerking off to? gay porn? bestiality porn?
What you got against gay porn? The Republican that ran for governor liked some trans porn, didn't he?

I don't believe bestiality porn is legal.
 
"There are no reports of the National Guard harassing people in DC. While the National Guard has been deployed to Washington, D.C. to support law enforcement, their role is primarily logistical and administrative, not to engage in direct law enforcement actions like arrests or harassment, according to CNN. They are assisting with tasks like transportation, communication, and maintaining a visible presence, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Support Role:
    The National Guard's mission is to support local and federal law enforcement agencies in DC.

  • Limited Direct Action:
    National Guard members are not authorized to make arrests or detain individuals, according to CNN.

  • Logistical and Administrative Support:
    Their duties include providing logistical support, transportation, and administrative assistance to law enforcement, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

  • Visible Presence:
    They are also providing a visible presence in the city, including areas like the National Mall and near monuments, according to ABC News.

  • No Weapons, as of Now:
    The National Guard troops have not been authorized to carry weapons, although this could change based on evolving orders.

  • D.C. Mayor's Statement:
    D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has stated that the National Guard will be deployed on federal property, not to make arrests, according to NBC News."
Appreciate you sharing that. That’s good to have the context. Then who is detaining delivery drivers? I guess it’s ICE maybe? That’s still a distinction without a difference to me. Federal personnel are patrolling the streets of an American city apprehending American citizens for…what purpose? THAT’s the problem I have and what I don’t understand. I promise I’m not trying to be dense or combative- I’m just genuinely trying to understand why anyone of any political persuasion is cool with this.
 
Your characterization that they are harassing American citizens contradicts your claim that they are just taking selfies with tourists.

I'm not being hypocritical because I'm not seeing the harassment you keep touting.

They aren't going into those areas because they aren't trained to be in those areas, aren't carrying guns, and instead are designed to be a deterrent, hold potential criminals, and perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime. We aren't talking about Seal Team 6 here but it seems like that is your characterization of them. The National Guard goes into areas hit by natural disasters actually carrying guns to prevent looting and that seems acceptable to you. I'm sorry but you seem to be mischaracterizing the use of the National Guard and I don't grasp that based on what i have seen.
So, were sending untrained people into this area to police them?

That's one of the things the former FBI agent I was listening to be interviewed today mentioned, how many of these people are not trained or equipped for this role, so maybe they shouldn't be in a role they are not trained or equipped for?
 
There are videos on this very thread of them doing both, actually: detaining delivery drivers and UberEats drivers making deliveries, detaining a woman from her vehicle at a checkpoint on 14th Street, and also just posted up taking selfies in front of Union Station. It's not an either/or. They're doing both. They're doing more of the latter, sure, but doing ANY of the former, to me, is a bridge too far. I am bewildered that anyone with any conservative bonafides at all would think that federalizing an American city using military personnel isn't overreach.

Your second paragraph yields valid points, but I'm confused as to what the whole purpose of this entire operation is, if it's not to actually reduce crime? There's no crime reduction happening by posting up on the National Mall. Nobody in Brentwood is criming any less because the National Guard is hanging out outside of the National Archives. So if the point is to reduce crime, then why not go where the crime is happening? And if the point is to perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime, who is actually doing the crime reduction part of the equation?

I truly desire to see the reduction or elimination of violent crime as much as anyone. I just truly do not support the utilization of federal military personnel to do so. I think there are plenty of better ways to do it, but the problem is those don't make for good sound bytes and clips on Fox and social media.
Watch the video in this article and let me know your opinion.

 
What you got against gay porn? The Republican that ran for governor liked some trans porn, didn't he?

I don't believe bestiality porn is legal.
lol I don't have anything against gay porn. Just don't think it is popular in the hetero world, which is the overwhelming majority of the country. The point was to identify something less popular than midget porn. Whatever floats your boat.
 
So, were sending untrained people into this area to police them?

That's one of the things the former FBI agent I was listening to be interviewed today mentioned, how many of these people are not trained or equipped for this role, so maybe they shouldn't be in a role they are not trained or equipped for?
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So this settlement arise from claims that some of the numbers were allegedly too low from 2018 to 2020? (And not murder rates but theft and assault, which are more easily manipulated by lesser charges)? The article is behind a paywall
So maybe there is more info there(?)
I know this will come as a shock, but the right-wing media is vastly overplaying this story. Here's a link (from a right-wing source) with a whole bunch of "damning" evidence.


So here's what the department admitted to: they started classifying thefts under $25 as "taking property without ownership" instead of theft II. That's it. That's the "down-classification."

Here's what that Djoussou alleged: that in a case she worked, the night watchman didn't charge an offense as assault with a deadly weapon when a knife was allegedly thrown at the victim. Except as the attached transcript of the recording shows, she apparently did not really know the law -- but more importantly, she called the captain at 4:30 AM for an "emergency" report. And the captain was not interested in what amounted to a judgment call. There might have been a knife thrown, but it did not hit anyone and the victim -- who did suffer some injuries from fisticuffs -- declined to be hospitalized.

Obviously a thrown knife can be an assault with a dangerous weapon, but the elements of the crime are under-specified. I'm not even sure where they reside, because they are not defined in the statute. There's an example from the DC Metro Police training manual to suggest that a man who waves a knife around could be committing an assault punishable by up to 10 years in jail. That is obviously excessive, and the captain talking to Djoussou made that point. He asked if throwing a shoe should be classified as ADW, and she said no, that would be excessive, and the captain said that the shoe technically qualifies under the relevant authority. And so they discussed how a judgment call must be made.

The captain also referred to the model jury instruction for that offense as a reason not to upcharge. I didn't find that, but it would make sense if the jury instructions narrow the crime a bit. For instance, there might be an instruction about what must be shown for a thrown object to be dangerous. Djoussou seemed to be under the impression that a knife thrown in any direction would be ADW as long as there was also a simple assault. That seems wrong. She revised it to the victim "dodged" but who knows what the actual evidence for that would be.

In any event, Djoussou did not allege, from my skim of the material, any pattern as to this down charging -- but rather, this was a one-off and because she questioned the captain's judgment, she was retaliated against. I don't know -- calling the captain at 4:30 AM for the express purpose of a "notification" might make them a bit pissed off.

The only down charging the department admitted to, and the only that I've seen alleged, is charging a theft of less than $25 as a lesser offense punishable by 90 instead of 180 days in jail.
 
Appreciate you sharing that. That’s good to have the context. Then who is detaining delivery drivers? I guess it’s ICE maybe? That’s still a distinction without a difference to me. Federal personnel are patrolling the streets of an American city apprehending American citizens for…what purpose? THAT’s the problem I have and what I don’t understand. I promise I’m not trying to be dense or combative- I’m just genuinely trying to understand why anyone of any political persuasion is cool with this.
Its a horrible written article but there are some details in it that are relevant.

"In other parts of the city, federal agents were spotted conducting traffic stops and making arrests. Charges over the first two nights have included assault with a deadly weapon, homicide, drug possession with intent to distribute, unlawful entry, resisting arrest, lewd acts, stalking, reckless driving, and driving under the influence, the official said. Thirteen illegal firearms have been seized since Monday night."
 
We all know this isn't about crime prevention.

It's a show and a test.
Pretty successful couple of nights.

In other parts of the city, federal agents were spotted conducting traffic stops and making arrests. Charges over the first two nights have included assault with a deadly weapon, homicide, drug possession with intent to distribute, unlawful entry, resisting arrest, lewd acts, stalking, reckless driving, and driving under the influence, the official said. Thirteen illegal firearms have been seized since Monday night."
 
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