Trump Assassination Attempt Investigations

Calheel said:
He may well have done this many times before yesterday.
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This is an underappreciated point. It's like one of those videos where some kid makes a full court shot and everyone in the gym runs around like mad, except you have no idea just how many takes they needed to get that result. Except in this case, the prize was sort of the opposite type of mad.

On the other hand, the WH has surveillance on the perimeter that would presumably catch the guy the first time (or at least create a record of many "visits"). I'm guessing MAL has the same. What about the golf course? One supposes that they would, but maybe not. If not, it reinforces your point even more. He can only be caught when Trump is there, because that's the only time when the SS is looking.

I suppose Trump is not so much a fan of internal surveillance cams. They have not caught the right type of criminal activity. How funny would it be if Trump's security didn't catch this guy because they've dialed down the security because they don't want visual records of Trump criming?
 
superrific said:
This is an underappreciated point. It's like one of those videos where some kid makes a full court shot and everyone in the gym runs around like mad, except you have no idea just how many takes they needed to get that result. Except in this case, the prize was sort of the opposite type of mad.

On the other hand, the WH has surveillance on the perimeter that would presumably catch the guy the first time (or at least create a record of many "visits"). I'm guessing MAL has the same. What about the golf course? One supposes that they would, but maybe not. If not, it reinforces your point even more. He can only be caught when Trump is there, because that's the only time when the SS is looking.

I suppose Trump is not so much a fan of internal surveillance cams. They have not caught the right type of criminal activity. How funny would it be if Trump's security didn't catch this guy because they've dialed down the security because they don't want visual records of Trump criming?
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The golf course is about 15 minutes from Mar-a-Lago and is lined by major city streets. I would think it is highly unlikely the course has surveillance cameras with a view of the city streets. I suspect most of the cameras would be near the clubhouse and on the interior of the golf course.
 
Calheel said:
The guy is obviously crazy. NO conspirator is going to enter into a plot with a crazy person.

Occam's razor says crazy guy was willing to camp out at golf course on possibility Trump would be there. That takes no huge stretch of imagination. He does not strike me as the kind of guy that is weighing the costs and benefits of wasting his time on a Sunday afternoon. He may well have done this many times before yesterday.
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I agree that’s the most likely explanation, but I’m keeping an open mind, and almost anything is on the table. The one thing that makes no sense would be any involvement by the Biden or Harris teams. The last thing they want right now is Trump being assassinated. But there are a lot of groups who would welcome that, from the Iranians to the Ukrainians to Team Fuentes, and this guy seems vulnerable to manipulation by any number of them. So again, I think the crazy lone wolf explanation is the most likely, but I won’t be at all surprised if the story ends up being a little more complicated than that.
 
rodoheel said:
Here's a good description of the people who are probably most responsible for the rising political temperature - the supposed political moderates who are actually pro-Authoritarian more than anything and have flocked almost entirely to Trump because of his authoritarian tendencies:

"It is a common assumption that people who hold views from both sides of the aisle are economically conservative and socially liberal—the profile of many in the upper-middle-class political elite trying to reduce polarization. In fact, a 2016 study showed that this type of moderate ideology was held by only 3.8 percent of the electorate. Instead, the preponderance of Americans who respond to ideological survey questions with answers on both sides of the aisle (28.9 percent of the electorate) tend to be pro–economic redistribution while also upholding the belief that American citizens should be White, Christian, and born in the United States.44 That mix of views led this group to be swing voters for many years, although since 2016 many have moved more decisively into the Republican Party.

This group, many of whom support an authoritarian leader and some of whom justify political violence when necessary to maintain traditional gender roles and a White-dominated racial hierarchy, may be highly affectively polarized—but they also may not be, since they tend to distrust all American institutions and elites.45 Some view themselves as strong partisan Republicans, so surveys such as Bright Line Watch found that people who strongly identified as Republican a year after the contested 2020 election were the most supportive of political violence.46 But others feel little partisan affiliation. They have voted for both parties in the past and seek someone to represent their views; if a third party of a Trumpian orientation emerged, they might switch to it. While they were united by their votes for Donald Trump in 2020 and their belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, they may be willing to mobilize in the future behind another strong, extreme leader: many of the most radical are no longer willing to turn out violently for Trump rallies because they feel let down by his failure to provide monetary support for those arrested on January 6.47 They are probably best characterized simply as the antidemocratic right, a growing counterculture with high distrust, a low sense of agency, and strong feelings of grievance and victimhood."

Full link here has a great, thorough, and fairly recent examination of political polarization and violence:

carnegieendowment.org

Polarization, Democracy, and Political Violence in the United States: What the Research Says

What can be done about polarization in the United States? Reviewing a decade of research reveals unexpected findings.
carnegieendowment.org carnegieendowment.org
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National socialism. Literally.
 
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Musk, what a funny guy! Knee-slapping funny stuff here ... actually, what an asshole, and a nerd.
 
lawtig02 said:
I agree that’s the most likely explanation, but I’m keeping an open mind, and almost anything is on the table. The one thing that makes no sense would be any involvement by the Biden or Harris teams. The last thing they want right now is Trump being assassinated. But there are a lot of groups who would welcome that, from the Iranians to the Ukrainians to Team Fuentes, and this guy seems vulnerable to manipulation by any number of them. So again, I think the crazy lone wolf explanation is the most likely, but I won’t be at all surprised if the story ends up being a little more complicated than that.
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OK, I'll play along.

How would that work? Do you think these alleged co-conspirators were offering to pay him money? Because he seems plenty motivated/crazy on his own. Do you think these were online communications or do you think they actually communicated in person? And if you were one of these groups that wanted Trump killed, this is who you contract with? You don't at least get someone of Oswald's competence? When Putin wants to assassinate someone on foreign soil, he doesn't find the craziest person in the country to work with. He actually uses a trained assassin. Why would any group use this crazy guy? That seems highly, highly unlikely.
 
Centerpiece said:
Agree. I’ve got him on ignore, but obviously others don’t and insist on engaging with him… I wasn’t going to go super ignore on anyone, but I may have no choice if I keep seeing his name. “Heelyeah2012 said: You are ignoring content by this member” and then somebody else responds and basically reiterates or goes into detail of what HY has spouted off this time… and there it is… back up in my face again. Ugh.
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Agree. I read this Board to get reasoned, articulate, and occasionally funny takes on the issues of the day. If I want to know what the Neanderthal Right thinks of any particular issue, all I have to do is go to church, go to the grocery store, or walk through the neighborhood. I'll get a ear-full of the the latest indignities that have been heaped on oppressed and put-upon white segment of society.
 
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