Trump Declares War on U.S. Cities

[nycfan]

More than anything else, this has to be the focus of the speeches by Hegseth and more particularly Donald Trump today to the gathered assembly of mortally all US military admirals and generals and their senior staff.

To set the scene, Hegseth ordered them all to this meeting on short notice and while decrying DEI and woke enforcement of harassment policies and rules of engagement, as well as promoting unshackling military lethality, he made this call to anyone who disagrees with him:

 

[nycfan]

Trump follows and starts things off with a little light-hearted reinforcement of Hegseth’s message:

 

[CFordUNC]

Whole lot of “Don’t Tread on Me” dipshits who like to cosplay for Instagram with their cute little gun stash and their “We the People” tattoos are curiously silent with the federal government openly threatening to occupy American cities and potentially kill American civilians on American soil.

 

[nycfan]

He also taunted them about disagreeing with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs:




“… [weird growl voice]I DON’T SEE ANY HANDS RAISED, [/growl off] alright, that means you’re OK , that means that he’s OK now…”


Otherwise, Trump rambled a lot, and it is easy to get distracted by the firehose of stupid that resulted, but what matters is what he kept returning to when he got back in script …

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

Here it is:



It’s a meander, but to distill, he says he got 95% of the firefighter vote and they’re brave and in our inner cities which are part of war there are animals who shoot at firefighters, shoot bullets while they are on ladders and could fall (not to mention getting shot I guess) so that’s a big part of war

He returns to this, which seems to be a core point in as far as his speech is planned:



“San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles … And this is going to be a major part for some of the people in this room. That’s a war too. It’s a war from within. Controlling the physical territory of our border is essential to national security we can’t let these people in …”

 

[mynameisbond]

He still wants generals like Hitler's. Blindly loyal and willing to follow any order given, no matter what Constitutional provisions, rules, or conventions apply.

 

[nycfan]

[Borrowing a post from the Hegseth thread]

Trump is taunting military generals here to raise their hand if they don’t think Cain is doing a great job

“… [weird growl voice]I DON’T SEE ANY HANDS RAISED, [/growl off] alright, that means you’re OK , that means that he’s OK now…”

 

[nycfan]

He returns to this, which seems to be a core point in as far as his speech is planned:



“San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles … And this is going to be a major part for some of the people in this room. That’s a war too. It’s a war from within. Controlling the physical territory of our border is essential to national security we can’t let these people in …”

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Use American cities as training grounds for the U.S. military. Go back and re-read “Pete’s” comments earlier today about eliminating politically correct rules of engagement and lethality …

 

[Centerpiece]

So I guess the military folk who turned their weapons on ordinary Americans in Detroit and South Port will be exonerated and free of all charges… as they were just doing in advance what the “leaders” of the Armed Forces commanded

 

[nycfan]

So he basically admits to thinking that US service members are chumps, as General Kelly has said.

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Use American cities as training grounds for the U.S. military. Go back and re-read “Pete’s” comments earlier today about eliminating politically correct rules of engagement and lethality …

THIS IS MOSTLY STUFF HE IS CLEARLY READING

“a great military tradition … from protecting frontier communities to chasing outlaws and bandits in the Wild West and our history is filled with military who took on all enemies, foreign and domestic … that’s what the oath says, foreign and domestic, well we also have domestic.

George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Grover Cleveland, Georgggggge Bush and others all used the armed forces to keep domestic order and peace. Many of our leaders used the military to keep peace. Now they like to say ‘Oh you’re not allowed to use the military to keep peace’ and you know what the people say, the people in those cities where they are being RAPED, SHOT, beta up, you know what they say? ‘We love the military’ … I’ve never seen somebody say they don’t unless they’re radical and paid off because a lot of these INSURRECTIONISTS are paid by, whether it’s Soros or other people …”

 

[nycfan]

THIS IS MOSTLY STUFF HE IS CLEARLY READING

“a great military tradition … from protecting frontier communities to chasing outlaws and bandits in the Wild West and our history is filled with military who took on all enemies, foreign and domestic … that’s what the oath says, foreign and domestic, well we also have domestic.

George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Grover Cleveland, Georgggggge Bush and others all used the armed forces to keep domestic order and peace. Many of our leaders used the military to keep peace. Now they like to say ‘Oh you’re not allowed to use the military to keep peace’ and you know what the people say, the people in those cities where they are being RAPED, SHOT, beta up, you know what they say? ‘We love the military’ … I’ve never seen somebody say they don’t unless they’re radical and paid off because a lot of these INSURRECTIONISTS are paid by, whether it’s Soros or other people …”

George Washington —> Revolutionary War Whiskey Rebellion
Abraham Lincoln —> Civil War

Grover Cleveland deployed the military to Chicago to break up a train strike after a compliant court gave a court order to break the strike to protect interstate commerce and delivery of U.S. mail, and dozens of American casualties resulted from the resulting skirmishes. Eugene Debs got sent to prison as organizer of the strike. It is telling that Stephen Miller is having Trump cite the Pullman Railroad strike.

He also deployed the military to protect Chinese workers from angry American (white) workers in Seattle and Cheyenne who grew violent in opposition to the railroads importing cheap labor from China … basically, Cleveland used the army as the enforcement arm of railroad barons against the American labor movement.

 

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[WaynetheDrain]

This is fucking crazy. I can’t believe something like this could have happened in our country.

 

[rodoheel]

This is fucking crazy. I can’t believe something like this could have happened in our country.

It hasn't happened yet. Right now it's just talk. I'm still hopeful that (1) the vast majority of American officers and enlisted men will recoil at violently suppressing their fellow Americans, and (2) the vast majority of the American public will recoil in horror if that actually happens.

That isn't to minimize the genuinely sickening feeling we all should have on hearing Trump openly posit using American cities and his political opponents as training fodder for a more "lethal" military. It is gross; it is horrifying; it is un-American; it is authoritarian. The outcry at these comments should be swift and widespread. All I mean is: this isn't over. Our country isn't gone yet. it is ailing; it is reeling; it is in some ways hanging on by a thread. But we shouldn't give up yet.

 

[nycfan]

 

[Molotov Mocktail]

It hasn't happened yet. Right now it's just talk. I'm still hopeful that (1) the vast majority of American officers and enlisted men will recoil at violently suppressing their fellow Americans yet, and (2) the vast majority of the American public will recoil in horror if that actually happens.

That isn't to minimize the genuinely sickening feeling we all should have on hearing Trump openly posit using American cities and his political opponents as training fodder for a more "lethal" military. It is gross; it is horrifying; it is un-American; it is authoritarian. The outcry at these comments should be swift and widespread. All I mean is: this isn't over. Our country isn't gone yet. it is ailing; it is reeling; it is in some ways hanging on by a thread. But we shouldn't give up yet.

I was just trying to remember which poster keeps lecturing us on “not talking about what’s likely to happen.”

Guess what, it’s fucking happening.

 

[nycfan]

George Washington —> Revolutionary War
Abraham Lincoln —> Civil War

Grover Cleveland deployed the military to Chicago to break up a train strike after a compliant court gave a court order to break the strike to protect interstate commerce and delivery of U.S. mail, and dozens of American casualties resulted from the resulting skirmishes. Eugene Debs got sent to prison as organizer of the strike. It is telling that Stephen Miller is having Trump cite the Pullman Railroad strike.

He also deployed the military to protect Chinese workers from angry American (white) workers in Seattle and Cheyenne who grew violent in opposition to the railroads importing cheap labor from China … basically, Cleveland used the army as the enforcement arm of railroad barons against the American labor movement.

Great updates from other thread:

 

[heelinhell]

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Use American cities as training grounds for the U.S. military. Go back and re-read “Pete’s” comments earlier today about eliminating politically correct rules of engagement and lethality …

Remember when GQP presidents would use bigoted dog whistles to stir up fear and anger among the white working class and "middle Americans " ?

good times...

 

[rodoheel]

I was just trying to remember which poster keeps lecturing us on “not talking about what’s likely to happen.”

Guess what, it’s fucking happening.

I understand the frustration but I genuinely don't mean this to be lecturing. I mean it to be maintaining optimism in a time of significant darkness. There are many legitimate reasons to fear for democracy in our country and worldwide right now. There are many reasons to fear for the safety of some of our most vulnerable citizens. It is horrifying; it is heartbreaking. I am not in any way trying to minimize those fears or to moderate in any way the pure contempt that should be directed at the Trump admin for their absolutely appalling rhetoric and actions. But the fight isn't over, and there are many reasons to believe that Trump and his movement can still lose by overreaching. And there are even more reasons to believe that this doesn't have to be our country's darkest hour. It is not that yet; not by a long shot.