Trump Dictatorship

I don't know that I'm "downplaying" the guy screaming. I'm suggesting that screaming in this fashion is not a good or helpful approach in trying to convince people of the danger, and stop that danger.

It reminds me of the mythological story of Cassandra, the priestess in Troy who prophesied the destruction of the city. She was cursed in that her prophecies would be true and not believed, and so ultimately she was ignored. Obviously that part is entirely mythological, but I think it speaks to a very genuine part of human nature which is that people largely do not want to believe or accept that terrible things are going to happen. You are not going to convince a large percentage of Americans 9especially people who are agnostic towards politics) that we're on the verge of a dictatorship that will be enforced by martial law any day now. if you want to convince these people of the dangers of Trump, the way to do it is opening their eyes to the horrible things happening right now, not with dire predictions of Trump become a Hitler-esque dictator for life in 2028. Because not only is that just going to make people ignore you, if will make the actually really concerning aspects of Trump's rule seem not so bad by comparison if he doesn't name himself dictator for life at some point.
I got it wrong. The OP wasn’t screaming anything. He also wasn’t predicting martial law, or the destruction of the city or that Trump would declare himself dictator for life.

All he said was he thinks trump will try to finagle a 3rd term and that we shouldn’t think the 2028 election will be free and fair…. And that he has doubts about 2026 being free and fair either.

He was just making a prediction and followed up by saying he made correct predictions the past 3 presidential elections.

My fault for saying he screamed anything.

Whether or not his prediction is counterproductive may be debateable.

But I do think the canary in the coal mine has dropped dead and we would be wise to head for the exit.
 
lol at you even mentioning “truth’ given the last 8 years of your media. Your media could say the grass you graze is red and you would just keep munching.
You're a punchline to a sick joke. You wouldn't recognize truth if it was the only word on a billboard. GTFOH.

A trump supporter lecturing someone about truth.
1984.
Idiocracy.

WTAF.
 
"but because the right wing basically controls the media,"

Maybe the most unaware, ignorant comment ever posted on the old zzl or new zzl. This is the equivalent of radicalized jihadist level of brainwashing (without the violence) and completely ignores all recent instances of leftist media's lies. When you can't even acknowledge the left's grip on the media, outside of fox and a few others, its time for the cult branding.
It's not just on ZZL, but it is absolutely dependent on your perception.

I'm normally arguing against the Republican view which is that the entirety of the media is run by liberals. My response is (or was during the Biden admin) "The full force of the liberal machine - media, Hollywood, wealthy, etc was squarely against Trump in 2016, but he still won. Explain."
 
I think you're right, but with an asterisk of sorts. I definitely believe that historically the "mainstream media" (by which I mean outlets like CBS, ABC, NBC, NYT, WaPo, NPR, etc.) has had a significantly more liberal lean than conservative. I think it's for a lot of the same reasons that academia has historically had a more liberal lean than conservative, which is to say, that conservatives have largely eschewed going into the field of journalism altogether. I don't think that there was ever some Illumniati-esque meeting of the media minds where it was decided that mainstream media outlets would lean liberal versus conservative; I think a lot of it was self-selection, as I mentioned. In other words, I don't think that the mainstream media became liberal in the aggregate out of spite for conservatives or for nefarious reasons (to borrow a phrase from Michael Jordan: "conservatives buy newspapers, too"). I think it happened naturally as a result of the self-selection I mentioned, and then continued to perpetuate itself for decades.

Something that I think that conservatives have done, though, as a result of the mainstream media having a liberal bend, is absolutely kick the left's ass when it comes to creating and sustaining an entire media ecosystem dedicated to propping up the conservative party. CNN and MSNBC are child's play, IMO, compared to Fox- and by that I mean their reach and influence. (That's not to say that they aren't liberal-biased; they are. I just mean that they aren't nearly as effective at message-shaping and agenda-setting as is Fox).

So while the mainstream media is definitely liberal-biased, the right wing media ecosystem that started with Fox and has since spawned off countless podcasters, social media personalities, influencers, etc. is extraordinarily more successful at crafting and disseminating unified messaging that benefits the conservative party, than the mainstream media is at doing the same for the liberal party. I absolutely hate most of the right wing media ecosystem for its propensity for lying and grifting, but I am both envious and in awe of its effectiveness. It's something for which the left has had no match historically, currently has no match, and will likely never have a match- to the detriment of the Democratic Party. So while the historic norm has been that the mainstream media has been significantly biased in favor of liberals, I think that their effectiveness in crafting and disseminating messaging that favors the Democrats is at an all-time low compared to that of Fox & Co. And I think it's going to continue to cost Democrats dearly at election time.
Perfectly put. I’d add one thing. The mainstream media is just what it is- they compete with one another but do not collaborate to create a uniform “liberal” message like the right-wing media ecosystem does. That world marches in lock-step and is a united mouth piece for whatever agenda the right wing politicians (now Trump) want to push. It’s essentially state media whether in or out of power.
 
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Perfectly put. I’d add one thing. The mainstream media is just what it is- they compete with one another but do not collaborate to create a uniform “liberal” message like the right-wing media ecosystem does. That world marches in lock-step and is a united mouth peace for whatever agenda the right wing politicians (now Trump) want to push. It’s essentially state media whether in or out of power.
Add in that the right-wing media LIES.

When ABC, CBS, NBC, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, and others make mistakes, they mention their errors. I’d include the NYTimes but they’ve never acknowledged their errors on helping to promote invading Iraq in 2003.

Fox had to lose a major lawsuit ($800 million) for it to acknowledge it was lying about the 2020 election.
 
It's not just on ZZL, but it is absolutely dependent on your perception.

I'm normally arguing against the Republican view which is that the entirety of the media is run by liberals. My response is (or was during the Biden admin) "The full force of the liberal machine - media, Hollywood, wealthy, etc was squarely against Trump in 2016, but he still won. Explain."
The same one that explains every day for you. You're delusional.
 
For what future plans do you believe LA was a trial run and what is your level of certainty that it will happen? 60%? 80%?
You really can’t question the accuracy of the left’s pre-election predictions of a trump presidency. 0% is pretty impressive.
 
Add in that the right-wing media LIES.

When ABC, CBS, NBC, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, and others make mistakes, they mention their errors. I’d include the NYTimes but they’ve never acknowledged their errors on helping to promote invading Iraq in 2003.

Fox had to lose a major lawsuit ($800 million) for it to acknowledge it was lying about the 2020 election.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Fox, as a corporation, ever made an official statement about the election. They basically just acknowledge that Tucker was lying about Dominion voting machines.
 
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It's not just on ZZL, but it is absolutely dependent on your perception.

I'm normally arguing against the Republican view which is that the entirety of the media is run by liberals. My response is (or was during the Biden admin) "The full force of the liberal machine - media, Hollywood, wealthy, etc was squarely against Trump in 2016, but he still won. Explain."
Because the full force of the republican machine was squarely for Trump.
 
You really can’t question the accuracy of the left’s pre-election predictions of a trump presidency. 0% is pretty impressive.
Deployed the military against Americans ✅
Concentration camps ✅
Tariffs causing inflation ✅
trump policies hurting economic growth ✅
 
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