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CFordUNC said:
Very, very well-said.

I'd say that I identify as a conservative liberal- the 'conservative' being an adjective and the 'liberal' is a noun. I still believe that big, rapid change isn't always good, but I firmly believe in equality and progress. I believe in greatly limiting government regulation when it comes to individual freedoms and liberties; in particular, personal choices around healthcare, marriage, consensual sex partners, what to eat, what to read, etc. I believe in greatly expanding government regulation when it comes to protecting the environment, protecting workers, protecting vulnerable groups, and providing a helping hand to those in need. I believe in having the strongest, most well-equipped, most lethal military force in the world that helps maintain peace through strength. I believe in providing aid and resources to our democratic allies and friends abroad in their times of need. I believe in the rule of law. I believe that America's strength is in our diversity and that we should have *both* strong, secure borders but also a highly-efficient and welcoming system of legal immigration so that the best, brightest, and hardest working in the world can come here to the land of opportunity and make their lives- and ours- better. I believe that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, nobody should go hungry or homeless through no fault of their own. I believe that every able-bodied soul should work, but that we also have a duty and an obligation to provide a helping hand up to those in our society who are trying hard and working hard but who struggle to get ahead.

I left the Republican Party and the conservative movement when it abandoned every single solitary one of those ideals.
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All seems fairly reasonable. This is pretty much American liberalism.
 
MendotoManteo said:
Where in the hell did this sudden conservative concern about the quality of our nation's food production come from? These people have never gave a shit about all the crap that's in our food.

I think you can literally get them to believe/support anything, as long as it's coming from personalities (like Trump and RFK Jr.) that they identify with for whatever reasons. They'd even support a 90% tax rate on the wealthy (like we had during the 50s) tomorrow as long as Trump just said to do so. Then be back to wanting his 15% or 16% proposed rate for corporations/wealthy/whatever the next day if he changed his mind.
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It came from body building forums and then was given a massive platform by Joe Rogan. Been bubbling up since the early 2010s, probably.
 
I wonder how many Biological Males that transitioned played HS Womens sports?? The number
And how many of them were built like Lawrence Taylor
 
nrsair said:
It came from body building forums and then was given a massive platform by Joe Rogan. Been bubbling up since the early 2010s, probably.
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Ah, yes, like the "Liver King" weirdo.

But even that doesn't fully explain it. Granted, social media is social media and often skews our perspective on things. I imagine most Trump supporters probably don't give a shit.
 
Paine said:
It’s fine to call out the hypocrisy. But in no way is the Republican Party now the radical left.
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Well, unless Bernie is just trolling them (and I hope he is), Bernie and Josh Hawley seem to be on the same page with respect to domestic policy.

It cannot be said enough how idiotic a 10% cap on credit card interest rates would be. Credit card interest rates are set by one of the most competitive markets in the world. The interest rates are as high as necessary to cover losses from nonpayment.
 
superrific said:
Lots of similar sentiments were expressed in Weimar. And Hungary about a decade and a half ago. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's more complicated than that.

Let's assume for a minute that it is certain they will trash the constitution and try to create an autocracy or purely electoral democracy (like Putin's Russia, where elections are in fact held, but they aren't free or fair). In that case, I would argue that we would have an obligation to trash the constitution ourselves, because then we will be the ones who can build it back into something like an 21st century update of what it was -- whereas they are going to build into white Christian nationalism. Yes, I'm aware that "we're the good guys" has been the mantle of any number of totalitarian movements (e.g. Maoism) and that's what makes all of this dangerous. But faced with a choice between a certain right-wing dictator and a possible left-wing one, I would go with the latter.

But you're right -- it's not inevitable. So what difference does that make? Hard to say. The consequences are still so potentially terrible that it's an unacceptable risk. On the other hand, the choice between a possible right-wing dictator and a possible left-wing dictator becomes less clear. To me, it's climate change that tips the scales here. The real danger of Trump isn't necessarily what he will do to America -- after all, at least some Americans will get what they chose -- but the consequences to the planet. Rolling back climate progress when in reality we need to be doubling our efforts will prove catastrophic and probably irreversible, absent the emergence of some fantastic technology.

Obviously my opinion carries no weight so it's idle chatter.
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I think for the sake of our country, we have to take a gamble and turn the keys over to Trump and hope for the best and if Trump becomes a tyrant the military will step in.

According to the NBC News article I posted earlier, they are already discussing court martials for generals involved in the Afghanistan withdrawals. They’re even considering charging them with treason.

I would think that if they attempt that the military wouldn’t take that too kindly. Then again they could fire all non-loyal generals first. I guess one hope is that they are stupid enough to make a critical mistake.
 
Callatoroy said:
Thanks Joe. Trump had it under control but you just couldn’t help yourself thinking about all those future dem voters moving into red states. Now we have to spend $300B to clean up his mess.
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The current numbers (2024) are at about 11.7 million. From the above graph, the 'mess' as you call, it, has always been there, but now, ostensibly, it's the MOST CRUCIAL CRISIS OF OUR GENERATATION!!! Lock up the wife and kids!

But yeah, let's spend $300 billion on this issue.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I think for the sake of our country, we have to take a gamble and turn the keys over to Trump and hope for the best and if Trump becomes a tyrant the military will step in.

According to the NBC News article I posted earlier, they are already discussing court martials for generals involved in the Afghanistan withdrawals. They’re even considering charging them with treason.

I would think that if they attempt that the military wouldn’t take that too kindly. Then again they could fire all non-loyal generals first. I guess one hope is that they are stupid enough to make a critical mistake.
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The probability remains quite low, but I think the first 6-9 months of next year will have the highest risk of military coup since ??? Civil War?
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I think for the sake of our country, we have to take a gamble and turn the keys over to Trump and hope for the best and if Trump becomes a tyrant the military will step in.

According to the NBC News article I posted earlier, they are already discussing court martials for generals involved in the Afghanistan withdrawals. They’re even considering charging them with treason.

I would think that if they attempt that the military wouldn’t take that too kindly. Then again they could fire all non-loyal generals first. I guess one hope is that they are stupid enough to make a critical mistake.
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Hope that the enemy fucks up is not a plan. And, as you say, purging the ranks of disloyal officers has rarely backfired on would-be autocrats, at least not until the wars start.
 
CFordUNC said:
That is absolutely 100% accurate. In less than a week we've got conservatives now believing in things like price controls and naturally-sourced organics! Who knows what we can slip past them next. The sky is the limit!
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It is almost like they are trying hard to be wrong on every single thing.

Edit: That was about price controls and limits on interest rates - not organic.
 
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What is the plans for the almost half the illegal immigrants that overstay their visas? Border security doesn't address that.
 
Mandates don't matter. Bush claimed a mandate after 2000 and proceeded to govern like he won in a landslide.

Mandates only matter as predictors. Supposedly they tell the party that won whether they can go fast or slow and still retain support. But Trump doesn't care about that.
 
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