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Trump and Mexican president say they had a good call – though no sign of backing down on tariff pledge | CNN Politics

President-elect Donald Trump said Wednesday that he had a “productive conversation” with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, their first talks since Trump announced tariffs against the US’ southern neighbor.
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Mexico’s president denies Trump’s claim that she agreed to shut down the US-Mexico border​


“Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum denied proposing to US President-elect Donald Trump that Mexico will close its border with the United States as he claimed in a post on Truth Social.

“Everyone has their own way of communicating, but I can assure you, I give you the certainty that we would never — and we would be incapable of it — propose that we would close the border,” Sheinbaum said during her regular morning news conference Thursday.

“It has never been our approach and of course we don’t agree with that.”

…In her own statement about the conversation, Sheinbaum said she shared Mexico’s immigration strategy with the president-elect and stressed that her country’s “position is not to close borders.”

“In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” Sheinbaum said Wednesday on X. Thanks to this, migrants and caravans are assisted before they arrive at the border. We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and between peoples.”

Sheinbaum had previously said that Mexico has worked with the Biden administration to address the flow of migrants through the country, leading to a 75% reduction in US border crossings over the past year.

And after the call with Trump on Wednesday, she did not outline any new policies she planned to put in place in order to avoid tariffs, focusing instead on how her country had already acted to address the crisis. …”

 
Callatoroy said:
LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
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See, here's the thing about being a bullshitter. You don't know what gives you away. It's like in Inglorious Basterds, when Hicox puts up three fingers. Everyone in the room knew who he was, while he was sitting there thinking that he was nailing it.

Here, the three fingers is your claim about productivity issues. Are you REALLY under the impression that "productivity issues" go away because of performance incentives is comical. In your world, I guess, the millions of employers who would like better productivity from their workers are fucking idiots. Why didn't they just think of using incentives? Genius! LOL. Fucking rube.

Anyway, there are also numerous problems with the other claims you've made. The program you are describing exists nowhere in the US. Maybe you're thinking of a limited work release/training program that solicits participation from inmates near the end of their terms -- which is not a general system of prison labor and definitely isn't going to provide ag labor to replace immigrants.

But the three fingers is the ridiculous claim about productivity. That, and the idea that you can compare recidivism rates between prisons. States generally don't collect data like that, and if they do, they tend not to release it -- because it doesn't really make any sense. But sure, carry on.
 
Callatoroy said:
LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
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I'd like to learn more about this program. Which prison are you referring to?
 
I worked on a case for an inmate a couple of years ago who participated in an in-prison work program. She and some of her coworkers were repeatedly raped by their civilian supervisor. So yeah, color me skeptical about the integrity of such programs.
 
aGDevil2k said:


The fuck is wrong with all of them
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I think many of them are genuinely crazy as a loon, for one thing. And given RFK, Jr's ego and treatment of women over the decades he probably thinks that women watching this are turned on. As for what his wife was thinking, who knows? And of course there is always, always, the grifting to MAGA Nation to buy their products. The notion that this guy is in a position to cancel or at least hold up needed vaccines is genuinely frightening.
 
Clearly Mexico can, if it wants to, impact the volume of migrants that get to the US border from within Mexico and Central/South America. I have no problem with the US government working with and leveraging Mexico to control their borders more effectively so we can better control our borders.

There are a reported 1.4 million illegal immigrants in the country that have been order to leave by the court system. I have no problem with Trump using existing resources to find and remove them.

There are also a reported 13k migrant criminals in ICE detention (aka "camps" on the Left). I would expect all of them to be deported also.

No, they should not have gender transition surgeries, on taxpayers' dimes, before leaving. 😁
 
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Good Lord. No way this guy should get confirmed for dogcatcher much less FBI director.

 
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