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UNCatTech said:
It's interesting how a simple google search brings back so many positive articles of the lockdowns helping to save lives.

Now, there is also information that talks about the cost, both financially and emotionally/mentally. Which I do see. So, I guess the question is was it worth it. I'm sure most opinions are strongly influenced by their personal experience.

For my family, we are still dealing with the mental impact to our youngest daughter who was sent home from school in the middle of 9th grade and never had a "Normal" year of high school. At the same time, I had no family or friends to die from COVID. (I did know people that died from COVID or COVID related illnesses.) All in all, I believe we had the best outcome possible based on the information we had at the beginning and how we worked to find a vaccine and keep our medical infrastructure from collapsing.

COVID-19 lockdowns significantly reduced transmission of invasive bacterial diseases

Study suggests COVID-19 lockdowns reduced the spread of deadly invasive bacterial diseases – potentially saving thousands of lives. Diseases caused by invasive bacteria, including pneumonia, meningitis, and sepsis, are leading causes of illness and death worldwide, especially among children and...
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Exactly. Lockdowns undoubtedly slowed the spread and, as a result, undoubtedly saved some number of lives. The question you brought up is whether or not the cure was worse than the disease. That's the ultimate question and everyone's going to have their opinion based on their individual experience, what information they read or heard and based on their politics.

I look at the cure that was implemented across the country, and I didn't even include the impact to school children and I don't think that cure was justified by the disease. In fact, if we are ever in an situation, with a virus with identical characteristics, I think government at all levels would do things differently. I don't think you would have full lockdowns and closure of businesses. I think you would have distancing requirements, capacity limitations and other modifications to make it as safe as possible. If there was a closure of businesses, I think it might be in specific, populous areas like New York City. I don't think school age children would be forced to wear masks, specifically because of the considerable negative impact on young children as it relates to learning to speach development....to name a few.
 
So I am four beers in and was seething at just how Venables team was completely unprepared today. He is a defensive coordinator pretending to be a head coach.

Then I realized that we will be at war with NATO in a few short months. Kind of puts things in perspective.

The crazy thing is that conservatives will say I am irrational because I take Trump at his word. Maybe that is true but it says far more about them than me.
 
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The clipping is from April 19, 1978 and refers to the Yes vote on the Panama Canal by U.S. Senator Robert Morgan and the No cast by Jesse Helms.

The day of the vote I had a Poli Sci seminar taught by Professor Federico Gil. The course was ‘Latin America in World Affsirs.” Most of y’all must have been acquainted with the college lore of the late instructor, i.e., students wait 5 minutes for a tardy graduate teaching assistant, 10 for an assistant prof, 15 for an associate, and 20 for a full professor.

That day, Dr. Gil was still not there at the 20 minute mark. So respected was he that no one left.

When he did arrive, over half an hour late, he apologized and thanked us for staying. He explained that he had been delayed by a phone call from a North Carolina Senator seeking advice on the Panama Canal vote. Which one needed no explanation.
 
ZenMode said:
Oh, we vaccinate LOTS of people without economy-crushing lockdowns, discharging our military personnel, forcing the closure of small businesses, disallowing people from gathering with family and friends, etc.

The science behind immunology is different from all of that.
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I think about those early days of the pandemic and I always think back to the utter lack of leadership we were receiving from the Trump administration. If he had just provided servant/sacrificial leadership we have gotten through it so much better. One day, years from now, his legacy will be the increased deaths due to his lack of leadership. Even the good that happened - getting the vaccines out in incredible time - was messed up because he didn’t tamp down the anti-vax stuff spewed by his followers.
 
lawtig02 said:
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Looks to me like a bunch of people voted for Trump despite thinking he committed serious crimes. Congrats, I guess. Doesn’t make you any more qualified to carry a law license.
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This is what is so disturbing to me. I think many, if not most, absolutely believe he did it and meant do it and they are ok with it. And, I know that if they are ok with that then it is not too much of a stretch to believe the even worse things they will be ok with him doing/leading/causing.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Define what it means to be “Woke.”
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I want to set the parameters of how ignorant you truly are before I waste time trying to engage with you.
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Sorry I missed this earlier. You and everyone here knows exactly what is meant by “woke” circa 2024. I don’t want to engage in some academic argument concerning the origins of the term by AAs in the 1920s. Today, the term reflects the never ending virtue signaling of people on the left who want to impress others on the left: Announcement of pronouns; land acknowledgements; terms such as birthing people; men can menstruate and give birth; yards signs proclaiming liberal slogans; pretending an in tact 6 foot two dude in a girls bathing suit is a woman; a guy dressed up as Audrey Hepburn selling Bud Light during a football game; Pelosi and Schumer kneeling in the Capital in African dress; and Latinx. Woke is trying to prove that you are sufficiently and appropriately “correct” on all the latest social and cultural issues notwithstanding common sense. Bill Maher says that this “stupid shit” causes people too vote for Trump even if they don’t particularly like him.

Even the Dems recognize that their failure to “talk like normal people” is hurting them with working class voters. AOC even removed her pronoun announcements from her social media accounts.
 
TitanNC said:
This is what is so disturbing to me. I think many, if not most, absolutely believe he did it and meant do it and they are ok with it. And, I know that if they are ok with that then it is not too much of a stretch to believe the even worse things they will be ok with him doing/leading/causing.
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The great majority of white Southern voters were OK with legalized segregation and Jim Crow for generations, and proved it by voting to support the politicians who upheld it over and over again. Defending racial segregation and Jim Crow was a cornerstone of Southern politics from the end of Reconstruction through the 1960s. That is only one example of a clear majority of American voters in at least one section of the country supporting terrible, inhumane, awful policies that clearly harmed other people - and yet the great majority of voters did it anyway, and for decades.

The notion that if a majority of voters support or oppose something that it automatically justifies or validates whatever they support or oppose is simply false. The "people" are not always right, morally or legally, in many cases. So the argument that just because about half the country wishes to believe that the J6 insurrectionists didn't do anything treasonous or wrong that they didn't is simply false, and that's a poor argument to use.
 
Ramrouser said:
Sorry I missed this earlier. You and everyone here knows exactly what is meant by “woke” circa 2024. I don’t want to engage in some academic argument concerning the origins of the term by AAs in the 1920s. Today, the term reflects the never ending virtue signaling of people on the left who want to impress others on the left: Announcement of pronouns; land acknowledgements; terms such as birthing people; men can menstruate and give birth; yards signs proclaiming liberal slogans; pretending an in tact 6 foot two dude in a girls bathing suit is a woman; a guy dressed up as Audrey Hepburn selling Bud Light during a football game; Pelosi and Schumer kneeling in the Capital in African dress; and Latinx. Woke is trying to prove that you are sufficiently and appropriately “correct” on all the latest social and cultural issues notwithstanding common sense. Bill Maher says that this “stupid shit” causes people too vote for Trump even if they don’t particularly like him.

Even the Dems recognize that their failure to “talk like normal people” is hurting them with working class voters. AOC even removed her pronoun announcements from her social media accounts.
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“…a view that there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to have policies that address them.”

- Ron DeSantis’s attorney in court when asked by a judge to define “woke.”
 
Mulberry Heel said:
The great majority of white Southern voters were OK with legalized segregation and Jim Crow for generations, and proved it by voting to support the politicians who upheld it over and over again. Defending racial segregation and Jim Crow was a cornerstone of Southern politics from the end of Reconstruction through the 1960s. That is only one example of a clear majority of American voters in at least one section of the country supporting terrible, inhumane, awful policies that clearly harmed other people - and yet the great majority of voters did it anyway, and for decades.

The notion that if a majority of voters support or oppose something that it automatically justifies or validates whatever they support or oppose is simply false. The "people" are not always right, morally or legally, in many cases. So the argument that just because about half the country wishes to believe that the J6 insurrectionists didn't do anything treasonous or wrong that they didn't is simply false, and that's a poor argument to use.
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There were some that were insurrectionists. No doubt. Most were not. Punish those that were. Quit punishing those that weren't.

You had to go back 60 years to find an example that made your point. A lot has happened in 60 years. I mean dem dare southerners done gone and elected themselves a negro senator and tried to elect a negro gooooovner.

Personally, I love the woke left and hope they get even woker. The more woker they get the more they turn off the fence sitters. just further highlights the batshit crazy side of the dem party. pretty soon, dems with common sense like jeff jackson will move to the pub side of the isle.
 
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