Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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Ramrouser said:
2. No one is paying me a salary as I am self employed and have been so for most of my career. This lawfare "indictment" you keep referring to, and appear to be obsessed with, is now on life support and soon will be dead.
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if that is true, it won't be because your colleague was innocent. it just means he will have gotten away with a felony, and one that is more unpatriotic than the vast majority. if fani messed it up beyond repair (which is doubtful and nobody would blink an eye but for the profile of the case and the biases of georgia courts), that doesnt mean your guy didn't commit the felony. he should be disbarred at a minimum.

that you use the word lawfare in connection with a prosecution of the attempt to convince the secretary of state to "find me enough votes so i can win" is mind-boggling. if there was ever a case of public corruption, that's it. it's right up there with blagojevich selling a senate seat (and note rod was a dem; i had no issue condemning him). if that can't be prosecuted then we should have no laws about corruption since its hard to imagine anything more blatant. well, thats not quite true. organizing bogus electors to lie about their states' votes is probably more blatantly an affront to elections.

why is that people like you cant condemn the corruption so plainly visible. it is not a mere political disagreement. it is fundamental to self-government. and all you do is whatabout to non-existent bullshit. whatever hunter biden did or didnt do, it is in no way comparable to literally pressuring the secretary of state to rig an election by "finding" votes. hunter biden's criminality compared to trumps criminality is like kj smith to rj davis.
 
Ramrouser said:
Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.
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Hopefully you are right.
 
Ramrouser said:
You have no idea what you're talking about so you just keep on spouting lies about me and my colleague:

1. My practice encompasses a broad range of civil cases including family law. In my years of practice I've represented clients in almost all types of civil cases in state and Federal courts, excluding bankruptcy and most plaintiff's personal injury cases.

2. No one is paying me a salary as I am self employed and have been so for most of my career. This lawfare "indictment" you keep referring to, and appear to be obsessed with, is now on life support and soon will be dead. Now, the prosecutor is going to be investigated and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it since she's made a joke of Fulton County's DA's office. At least in your latest post you've ceased calling my colleague, by name, a felon when he most certainly is not.

I have no idea why you continue to constantly post lies about me and my professional practice simply because we have political differences. But hey, if that entertains you on a Friday.....
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By the way, I don't respond the way I do to you because you're conservative. I respond as I do because you're literally the only person on here who's depraved enough to try to defend the anti-American assault on democracy waged by your boss and his compatriots following the 2020 election. If you had the balls to disown your boss and call him out for the treasonous bastard he is, I'd respond to you very differently. But you just double down on the criminality of MAGA and its erosion of the rule of law. I respect a ton of lawyers who see the world differently than I do. But if you think your boss should not spend the rest of his life in prison, I have nothing but contempt for you. You should not have the privilege of representing your clients before courts of law.
 
ZenMode said:
This is another situation where two things can be true at the same time. One truth, likely based on what we saw happening in Italy early in the pandemic, is that there was overreaction on the part of federal, state and local governments. Overreaction in the form of unnecessary lockdowns in areas where it wasn't necessary. Overreaction in the form of constructing large, temporary hospital expansions with the expectation of mass hospitalizations that never came to fruition. Overreaction in the form of discharging military personnel who wouldn't get the vaccine. The big one, at least for me, was the federal government's attempt to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get vaccinated.

The other truth is that some lives were possibly saved by the measures taken. Were a lot of lives saved? Probably not because Covid ended up not being nearly as deadly as we thought, but I think social distancing, lockdowns, etc probably saved some lives that may have been lost to select hospitals being overwhelmed.

Hopefully, we learned from the mistakes of Covid and will handle the next dangerous pandemic a little better.
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Ask anyone who worked in an emergency room during Covid if they thought the gov't overreacted during Covid, or that mask/vaccines mandates were stupid.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Your grasp of best practices in immunology and public health seems even weaker than that of the esteemed Dr Lynch. Impressive.
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Oh, we vaccinate LOTS of people without economy-crushing lockdowns, discharging our military personnel, forcing the closure of small businesses, disallowing people from gathering with family and friends, etc.

The science behind immunology is different from all of that.
 
ZenMode said:
Oh, we vaccinate LOTS of people without economy-crushing lockdowns, discharging our military personnel, forcing the closure of small businesses, disallowing people from gathering with family and friends, etc.

The science behind immunology is different from all of that.
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What’s the first requirement for a vaccination program?
 
ZenMode said:
Oh, we vaccinate LOTS of people without economy-crushing lockdowns, discharging our military personnel, forcing the closure of small businesses, disallowing people from gathering with family and friends, etc.

The science behind immunology is different from all of that.
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But you have to actually have a vaccine. Until then the lockdowns are the only thing to prevent the virus from spreading worse than it already is.
 
ZenMode said:
discharging our military personnel
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please explain to everyone what rules our military personnel do or dont have to follow.

see, i thought the nature of the military is that if you are given an order to take a vaccine, you take it. if you don't, you shouldnt be in the military.

what if an army unit is ordered to assault a birds nest with a sniper? can the soldiers say, "thats really dangerous, i don't think we should have to do it."

when do service members have to follow orders, and when don't they? if you could explain that, it might help.
 
Carolina Jones said:
But you have to actually have a vaccine. Until then the lockdowns are the only thing to prevent the virus from spreading worse than it already is.
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Either have a vaccine, natural herd immunity or a combination of both. You also need to have a virus that is so dangerous that it justifies lockdowns, firings, attempted massive government overreach, etc. How dangerous is a virus is at least partially subjective, which opens the door to overreaction.
 
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ZenMode said:
Either have a vaccine, herd immunity or a combination of both. You also need to have a virus that is so dangerous that it justifies lockdowns, firings, attempted massive government overreach, etc. How dangerous is a virus is at least partially subjective, which opens the door to overreaction.
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I don't think the number of people that died of COVID and still have problems from it is subjective
 
superrific said:
please explain to everyone what rules our military personnel do or dont have to follow.

see, i thought the nature of the military is that if you are given an order to take a vaccine, you take it. if you don't, you shouldnt be in the military.

what if an army unit is ordered to assault a birds nest with a sniper? can the soldiers say, "thats really dangerous, i don't think we should have to do it."

when do service members have to follow orders, and when don't they? if you could explain that, it might help.
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The question I'm asking isn't whether not military personnel have to follow orders. The question is whether or not Covid is so dangerous that it, among other actions, justifies forcing vaccination or be discharged.

Given the demographics of the military, there certainly seems to be a case that forcing vaccination is not justified. Not many old, fat, generally unhealthy people in the military.
 
ZenMode said:
Either have a vaccine, herd immunity or a combination of both. You also need to have a virus that is so dangerous that it justifies lockdowns, firings, attempted massive government overreach, etc. How dangerous is a virus is at least partially subjective, which opens the door to overreaction.
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This is complete nonsense. You are completely out of your depth.
 
ZenMode said:
The question I'm asking isn't whether not military personnel have to follow orders. The question is whether or not Covid is so dangerous that it, among other actions, justifies forcing vaccination or be discharged.
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you were complaining that military personnel were being discharged. that was entirely within their control.

what the fuck do you know about troop readiness? have you ever been a military officer? suppose you are captain of a submarine and one of the sailors doesnt want to take the vaccine. should he be forced? when answering that question, ask yourself whether the opinions of the other sailors matter. if the other sailors' morale and trust would decline from soldiers prioritizing their anti-vax bullshit over the health of the crew, should that be taken into account? how about the fact that the sailors were going to be on a submarine? or what would happen to the operational readiness of the ship if there was a covid outbreak.

that you feel qualified to opine that the military should have done something different about covid, when you have no fucking idea what is required of military officers in all the circumstances that might arise (keep in mind that only the top brass know everything that is going on) -- this is why you are a bad person. this is why you are emblematic of the problem in the united states.

why is it so hard to follow two simple rules: 1. if you dont know what you're talking about and you feel the need to cast aspersions about someone who does, then stfu? and 2) if you aren't sure if you know what you're talking about, trying asking someone who does. or consult wikipedia. or ask chatgpt what are the relevant considerations. or do anything other than spout off?

why is that so hard? is it an unreasonable expectation that people should learn things before forming opinions? especially the strong ones you express? is it unreasonable for people to suggest that the price of admission to discussion is anti-ignorance? you dont even have to be knowledgeable. just dont be a fucking know-nothing.
 
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