Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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See, this is where your response goes off the rails…
My take is that Trump has to do something dramatic because he has said our economy is in the dumps (when it is strong in reality), so he can’t just do nothing (as he should).
So he comes up with this dumb Tariff idea and then invents reasons for needing them.

My best guess is that in the end he will do some tariffs that will do minimal harm and then MAGAs will pretend the tariffs saved our economy.
 
Seriously, the Biden of the last 3-4 years? You sound like KJP touting Biden's tremendous physical stamina ("none of us can keep up with him") and mental sharpness "behind the scenes."
Buddy, Donald Trump's White House physician wrote in a report during the first administration that he was the healthiest and most fit person he's ever seen, when everyone's own eyes can see that he is an enormous tub of lard who is about three double quarter pounder combo meals away from getting buried next to Ivana at Bedminster.
 

U.S. border agents told to summarily deport migrants without granting asylum hearings under Trump edict​



“… Internal government documents indicate that, as of Tuesday night, the president's "full" 212(f) authority was being implemented across Texas' border with Mexico, making nearly all migrants who arrive there subject to quick expulsion. The documents cite the public health-related 212(f) authority that applies to "aliens that traveled through a country with a communicable disease."

Mr. Trump's edict also applies to Border Patrol coastal sectors, including the one in Florida, and the U.S.-Canada border. The documents indicate Canadian authorities will be asked to accept those who cross the northern border illegally, beyond those asylum claimants the U.S. and Canada already exchange under a "safe-third-country" agreement.

Two Customs and Border Protection officials, who requested anonymity to discuss internal guidance, said migrants will not be allowed to see an immigration judge or asylum officer under Mr. Trump's edict, which effectively suspends U.S. obligations under domestic and international law to ensure people fleeing persecution are not returned to danger. …”
 
In my view, if Trump were to order troops to invade Greenland, it would be an illegal order, and if Trump insisted, the military leadership would have to detain him. US Law obligates the United States to come to the defense of Greenland in the case of invasion, and that would be the best defense the military could offer.
We aren’t a society based upon law, anymore.
 
Seriously, the Biden of the last 3-4 years? You sound like KJP touting Biden's tremendous physical stamina ("none of us can keep up with him") and mental sharpness "behind the scenes."
So when Mike Johnson said that Biden didn't know what he had signed, and it turned out that Biden did know, was Mike Johnson lying, or uninformed, or simply not as bright as Joe? Because it is inarguable that Biden never signed an EO that resembled what Mike Johnson attributed to him.

And yes, even in a diminished state, Biden understands law way better than Trump ever did. You might want to sit this one out, since you also don't understand law and probably aren't fit to judge that particular contest.
 

White House sidelines 160 National Security Council detailees as it reviews staffing to align team with Trump’s agenda​



“… The career government employees, commonly referred to as detailees, were summoned on Wednesday to an all-staff call in which they were told that they’ll be expected to be available to the NSC’s senior directors but would not need to report to the White House. The NSC, a White House arm, provides national security and foreign policy advice to the president.

Trump, a Republican, is sidelining these nonpolitical subject matter experts on topics that range from counterterrorism to global climate policy at a time when the U.S. is grappling with a disparate set of complicated foreign policy matters, including conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East. Such structuring could also make new policy experts brought in to the NSC less likely to speak up about policy differences and concerns.

… Some directors have already made decisions to inform detailees they will be sent back to the federal agencies they were on loan from. For example, multiple holdover detailees assigned to counterterrorism directorate were told on Tuesday that their assignment was being cut short and that they will be sent back to their home agencies, according to two people familiar with the move who were not not authorized to comment publicly. …

The NSC was launched as an arm of the White House during the Truman administration, tasked with advising and assisting the president on national security and foreign policy and coordinating among various government agencies. It is common for experts detailed to the NSC to carry over from one administration to the next, even when the White House changes parties. …”
 
I'm not knowledgeable about the amount of drugs coming in from Canada. He obviously has some reason for it so what is the story of fentanyl coming through canada and why does trump think canada isn't doing anything to stop it?
It's not about the drugs, dummy. It's about the power. Drugs are just the excuse. He's never cared about the drugs. His immigration policies resulted in more fentanyl crossing the border, because he created a captive work force for the cartels.

Why do you think Trump has a reason when he has done his absolute best to communicate to you people that he doesn't have reasons for most of what he does?
 
Greenland is in a far better position to negotiate for whatever they want. When PR, DC, apex and huntersville discover the 2nd largest deposits of rare earth minerals in the world they too can be in a position of power. They could ask for $50,000 per resident per year and it wouldn't be but a drop in the bucket for the value of the resources and expanded military possibilities. They nor Denmark have the finances to develop the island.
 
Thank you for this response. I also wrestle with how much character matters, just as much as I wrestle with how much intelligence matters - for people in politics. More than anything, however, empathy matters to me. And that is where I believe that we, as a country, have failed the world in electing Trump.

Although I didn’t vote for either of them (not that I could have voted for Sr., as the 2000 election was the first I could vote in), I found both Bushes to be empathetic men. I felt the same way about Romney and Dole. I don’t see any empathy in Trump. If we are being honest, I think Trump views empathy as a weakness, a flawed character trait.

At my heart, I am very much an “ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country,” man. I believe that that statement should be at the core of who we are as a nation. It is one of four maxims that I hold dear as it relates to my experience as a United States citizen.

The second one is at the base of the Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”


The third comes from early in the colonial era, and is a from a sermon by John Winthrop: “For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world.”

Those three statements have defined much of who I am and how I choose to identify myself, as a citizen of this country.

Trump strikes me as a man who will never understand that first statement, scoffs at the second, and only views Winthrop’s City Upon the Hill through the lens of power.

For the first time in the course of my nearly half century on earth, I am no longer certain that any of those three quotes represents where this nation is going. And I don’t know what to do with that, other than assume that the fourth American maxim that I hold dear, “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” means something very different to Trump supporters than it does to me.

We can debate policy until the cows come home. But goodness should not be up for debate. Yes. We have had corrupt politicians in the past. Yes, I even voted for some of them. But Trump just hits different.

There is a level of cruelty and vindictiveness to him that is a malignant cancer, and it is spreading across America.

That is where I’m coming from. And I believe that others on here agree with me, particularly those who were once a part of the Republican Party, but left because of a man who views the world through a lens that many of us thought died with WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, at least in this country: one of conquest (personal, political, and global).

Add in Elon Musk, a man who is so wealthy that he will probably die having bought and sold several countries, and I honestly don’t know where we go as a society - not only over the next four years, but for the next 40.

That’s not a perspective that I have ever entertained before, and certainly not to the degree that I do now.

Something wicked this way comes.
Nice post. I read it and then re-read it. There is a lot there. I will offer an opinion on parts of it. Empathy is a very difficult emotion to apply across the board. The easy part is applying it in a single instance. The woman crying at the news all immigration hearings were halted. We all can feel empathy in that situation. I believe everyone is deserving of empathy. That doesn't mean that empathy trumps (no pun intended) all other emotions or should be the dominant emotion. Do you agree or disagree with that comment? Do you feel any empathy for trump? Do you feel any empathy for republicans? Do you feel any empathy for a random voter from nebraska? There is a reason for that last question. Empathy can't override duty or responsibility and we should show empathy to our fellow American citizens before showing it to non citizens. You may disagree with that. But in my opinion we have shown empathy toward non citizens at the expense of American citizens. Empathy at the expense of common sense measures will lead to failure. Do you disagree with that?
 
I would like for it to happen under the right circumstances, i.e. greenlanders vote to become part of the US. I don't think that will happen. Greenland is in a position of leverage. The US desperately needs its rare earth minerals and other resources to reduce the dependence on china. I think greenland could have its cake and eat it to if they chose the right negotiator. They could set up the residents for a long time and get full state's rights or limited rights depending on what they want. Or, they could negotiate a long term land lease that gives them the financial resources and gives the US sole rights to the resources. It's a good time to be a greenlander.

Read the article I posted from the Guardian. It was very informative on the mindset of greenlanders. Whatever happens, I hope we don't fuck them over and we get what we want and they get what they want.
That Guardian article was informative. Thanks for posting it.
 
Nice post. I read it and then re-read it. There is a lot there. I will offer an opinion on parts of it. Empathy is a very difficult emotion to apply across the board. The easy part is applying it in a single instance. The woman crying at the news all immigration hearings were halted. We all can feel empathy in that situation. I believe everyone is deserving of empathy. That doesn't mean that empathy trumps (no pun intended) all other emotions or should be the dominant emotion. Do you agree or disagree with that comment? Do you feel any empathy for trump? Do you feel any empathy for republicans? Do you feel any empathy for a random voter from nebraska? There is a reason for that last question. Empathy can't override duty or responsibility and we should show empathy to our fellow American citizens before showing it to non citizens. You may disagree with that. But in my opinion we have shown empathy toward non citizens at the expense of American citizens. Empathy at the expense of common sense measures will lead to failure. Do you disagree with that?
Of course I do. I can always get good odds. Empathy is about how you feel and not how you act. It's not the driver if you act against common sense. In fact, if you take common sense to be synonymous with common good, real empathy would drive you in that direction.
 
Of course I do. I can always get good odds. Empathy is about how you feel and not how you act. It's not the driver if you act against common sense. In fact, if you take common sense to be synonymous with common good, real empathy would drive you in that direction.
of course you do what?
 
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