Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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lawtig02 said:
I really hope your family can get you the help you need. Mental breaks are a serious thing, but with the right help, you can heal. Might be a good time to take a break from the board for a while, though.
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Holy shit. I seriously hope he was drunk. That was his most completely unhinged post ever. That was not the post of someone who is healthy and OK.
 
Callatoroy said:
Lots of people mad we won't be funding dei and trans agenda crap in other countries. These people are the definition of dumb. We just had an election where voters said the dim party wasn't in touch with everyday Americans and what do these idiots do? Bitch because we defunding dei and other woke shit. How many voters do you suppose were angry to find out how hundreds of millions in foreign aid was being spent under biden and how many support the concept of doge? But you have pocahontas yelling like a shrew at a protest and aoc accusing musk of being a dumb billionaire while being the richest person in the world and actually sending rockets into space all while she is driving that dummies car. Fortunately for republicans, that is the face of the dim party. That is what resonated with voters in the swing states and this kind of crap is what defines them now. They literally lost any control of the government and their response was to double down on the reasons they lost the election to a convicted felon and someone who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy. But remember, these are the intellectually elite so its ok.
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Willem Dafoe Smile GIF

Bat. Shit. Crazy.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
What about the other items on Call’s list?
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Given how they fucked up the first item, would you trust their description of the others?

I’ve seen descriptions of NSF and even NIH funded research that are similarly written to maximize outrage. Then you read the project abstract and they’re easily justifiable.

Perhaps the money to support DEI in Serbian workplaces was to ease ethnic tensions that linger from all the conflict in former Yugoslavian territory. Maybe the DEI musical in Ireland was focused on anti-Semtism. Seems like it might be worth asking for more details.
 
DantesHair said:
If you think that cutting $47,000 here and there makes a dent in the federal government, then you’re probably the mark.
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yeah if people would go check out the budget reports of our agencies and dig deeper into where the money actually goes they will see just how their elected officials have been abusing our taxes for their enrichment thru lobbyists. its time consuming and tough to navigate for a reason but its out there. i.e. a consulting firm out of reston va was paid over one billion last year thru the us depart of health and human services admin for children and families. one billion to a consulting firm lmmfao. nothing compared to the fraudulence thruout the dod's budget tho. like ive been sayin theres no diff in the two parties...none
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
I already feel like the mark watching the government shutdown farce that seems to happen every six months
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Why do you give a fuck, anyway? You don't vote. In fact, why participate at all on this message board? Just go live your oblivious life and let people who care about politics worry about the country.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Given how they fucked up the first item, would you trust their description of the others?

I’ve seen descriptions of NSF and even NIH funded research that are similarly written to maximize outrage. Then you read the project abstract and they’re easily justifiable.

Perhaps the money to support DEI in Serbian workplaces was to ease ethnic tensions that linger from all the conflict in former Yugoslavian territory. Maybe the DEI musical in Ireland was focused on anti-Semtism. Seems like it might be worth asking for more details.
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It's not so much the "what" that give me pause, it's why our government's time and resources?
 
CFordUNC said:
I’ve seen a lot of crazy shit on this board, but I’m not sure I’ve seen any shit crazier than that.
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What’s so shocking. That’s just run of the mill Republican thought process right there. That is why Trump is President . Half this country thinks that way and I’d say 90% of them would say something more shocking than that. Trump can burn this country down and they will justify it while on fire.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
It's not so much the "what" that give me pause, it's why our government's time and resources?
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Because soft power is extremely cost effective — convincing people to operate via diplomacy is one thing, but soft power is more, creating good will through charitable acts and expanding on that good will to shape the preferences and opinions of others in ways intended to benefit American policy goals or to prevent catastrophes like epidemics, famine, etc to the best of our ability.

What is most pernicious about Musk is he is screaming fraud and waste about programs that have been allocated support under the law for helping the poorest of the poor around the world, for promoting democracy through cultural exchange, for fighting starvation, malnutrition and disease and for bringing access to vaccines, pharmaceuticals and modern medical treatment to refugees, subsistence farmers, the poor and huddled masses.

It is one thing to disagree with such uses of U.S. resources, especially during a time of deficit spending, but quite another to lie and mislead Americans about what USAID is and what it does so that the richest man in the world can deny any support to some of the poorest and most wretched people across the globe and destroy 50 years of American efforts to build soft power across the globe.
 


Trump is the source of reports about blowing Iran to smithereens but fine. The goal of a long and lasting peace in the ME is obviously laudable.
 
HandsonFire said:
What’s so shocking. That’s just run of the mill Republican thought process right there. That is why Trump is President . Half this country thinks that way and I’d say 90% of them would say something more shocking than that. Trump can burn this country down and they will justify it while on fire.
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Yeah. Perhaps this is my error, but I have always expected a bit higher of our board Republicans than I do of your general run of the mill MAGA. The ones we have here are at least supposedly educated by a top flight public university like UNC. So I generally expect a bit more from them than, say, the MAGAs in my extended family who have high school educations and have never left Robeson and Bladen Counties. But, man alive, watching every single one of our board Trump voters become completely succumbed to Transgender Tourette’s to go along with their Biden Derangement Syndrome- and just their propensity to gleefully swallow what are very obvious lies and bullshit- has made me reconsider.
 
nycfan said:
Because soft power is extremely cost effective — convincing people to operate via diplomacy is one thing, but soft power is more, creating good will through charitable acts and expanding on that good will to shape the preferences and opinions of others in ways intended to benefit American policy goals or to prevent catastrophes like epidemics, famine, etc to the best of our ability.

What is most pernicious about Musk is he is screaming fraud and waste about programs that have been allocated support under the law for helping the poorest of the poor around the world, for promoting democracy through cultural exchange, for fighting starvation, malnutrition and disease and for bringing access to vaccines, pharmaceuticals and modern medical treatment to refugees, subsistence farmers, the poor and huddled masses.

It is one thing to disagree with such uses of U.S. resources, especially during a time of deficit spending, but quite another to lie and mislead Americans about what USAID is and what it does so that the richest man in the world can deny any support to some of the poorest and most wretched people across the globe and destroy 50 years of American efforts to build soft power across the globe.
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I was going to write something similar, but you explained this far be more clearly than I could have hoped to.
 
ole howard1 said:
So, Callatory….you're saying you’re wrong about the condoms? If so, where did you get bad information? Did someone tell you a falsehood? Who?

(Not the Atlantic, I’m pretty sure….to return to an earlier conversation…)

Beyond poverty, my understanding is that USAID supports pro-democracy efforts — which, in turn, likely help American trade relations. The economy and such things.

You for supporting democracy or against?
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Clearly against democracy. He supports Trump
 
nycfan said:
Because soft power is extremely cost effective — convincing people to operate via diplomacy is one thing, but soft power is more, creating good will through charitable acts and expanding on that good will to shape the preferences and opinions of others in ways intended to benefit American policy goals or to prevent catastrophes like epidemics, famine, etc to the best of our ability.

What is most pernicious about Musk is he is screaming fraud and waste about programs that have been allocated support under the law for helping the poorest of the poor around the world, for promoting democracy through cultural exchange, for fighting starvation, malnutrition and disease and for bringing access to vaccines, pharmaceuticals and modern medical treatment to refugees, subsistence farmers, the poor and huddled masses.

It is one thing to disagree with such uses of U.S. resources, especially during a time of deficit spending, but quite another to lie and mislead Americans about what USAID is and what it does so that the richest man in the world can deny any support to some of the poorest and most wretched people across the globe and destroy 50 years of American efforts to build soft power across the globe.
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Thank you for the intelligent, unhysterical response. Led me to do further research. Good writeup here.

Seems there is a more balance playbook to rationalizing the organization (that almost didn't survive the 90's):
"Upon taking office, Atwood invested heavily in improving Congressional relations and made a concerted push to rewrite the badly outdated Foreign Assistance Act of 1961. USAID was designated as one of the three “reinvention laboratories” within the federal government as part of Vice President Al Gore’s “Reinventing Government” initiative, and pursued a series of bureaucratic reforms. Most notably, USAID closed more than 26 missions in countries that had either graduated from the need for aid or were simply bad partners — the first reduction in the number of countries receiving U.S. assistance since the Marshall Plan."
 
BlooVooDoo said:
A “Verified Nuclear Peace Agreement” sounds a lot like what we had before.
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You mean this meaningless piece of shit: The Iran Nuclear Deal: What's Wrong With It And What Can We Do Now?

He is talking about one that actually has some teeth to it and would actually achieve the goal of preventing them from having a bomb. Not the bullshit Obama rolled out. You know, limited access to inspections. Call ahead to reserve inspection time like they are reserving dinner reservations. Easing of sanctions to free up billions to spend on terror. But hey, at least we could call it a deal right?
 
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