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superrific said:
Something like 12-15 million people emigrated to the US between 1870-1880. In gross numbers, that's a hjgher run rate than Biden's term; as a % of the population, it's way higher.

You said "in our history." That's skipping the part where you seem to attribute that to Biden, when he mostly had nothing to do with it. This has been explained many times and I'm not going to rehash it again. Long story short: the courts enjoined the policies that Trump criticized Biden for ending. Biden followed the law, as he should. Congress should have changed the law if it wanted different results. Sigh.
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Biden sent out the message to the world and the world listened and then he came into office and cancelled every Trump policy that had effectively minimized illegal immigration and as a result, created the four-year period with the greatest number of border crossings in our nation's history. Those are simply facts.

Nobody does that unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would watch the mass migration play out for over four years without doing something other than saying Congress needs to address immigration unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would send their Secretary of Homeland Security out to tell the American people the border was secure at the very same time millions of people were crossing and drugs were pouring in unless that is what they wanted. And once Joe saw how America felt about illegal immigration, he acted like he was going to try and address the problem but everybody knows what that was about. It didn't work.

Donald Trump will show you the difference between a president who wants to eliminate illegal immigration and one who wanted to maximize it.
 
rodoheel said:
I think this thread is a good illustration of the conservative mindset at work, especially as it applies to things like "the rule of law" or "the constitution." To conservatives, the law has two purposes: to protect their rights and to punish their enemies/opponents. When it is doing anything other than that, the law is an inconvenience to be ignored and dispensed with. That is why conservatives will on the one hand suddenly become constitutional "originalists" when it comes to things like civil rights and gay marriage and abortion - and happily seek redress from "unelected federal judges" to prevent those rights from being extended or protected - and then turn around and decry the very idea that a judge could rule that anything their own party wants to do is unconstitutional. This seemingly obvious cognitive dissonance is not really dissonance when you remember that in the conservative mind, law that protects conservatives and restrains liberals is inherently just, while law that protects liberals and constrains conservatives is inherently unjust. This same mindset is why conservatives who claim to care about "fraud" want to investigate welfare fraud and money going to NGOs, but have no interest in PPP fraud and complain about hiring IRS auditors to investigate tax fraud. It seems nonsensical, but it makes perfect sense when you remember who conservatives think the law should protect and who it should punish.

So you can see in this thread, from PandemicBlue and callatoroy and others, that they really could not care less about whether the Trump admin and their unelected Musk-backed hacker army run roughshod over any and all legal principles that are fundamental to our system of government and/or protect against the very fraud and corruption they claim to oppose, as long as they agree (or think they agree - in reality they probably don't understand very well) with what Trump and Musk are trying to do. Any law, constitution, or "unelected federal judge" who stands in the way is just another obstacle to be bulldozed. So don't ever expect them to stand up and say that there is some legal line they don't think Trump can or should cross - because there isn't one they really care about, unless it affects them personally. So that's why their response to this thread, rather than responding to the subject matter, is simply to whine about the same stuff they always whine about - Biden crime family, benefits to illegal immigrants, open border, yada yada yada. If the Trump admin announced the suspension of civil liberties to, like, fight Mexican gangs tomorrow, they'd simply cheer.
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the only uniform truth of conservatism historically is the desire to conserve their power. everything else is fungible.
 
PandemicBlue said:
Biden sent out the message to the world and the world listened and then he came into office and cancelled every Trump policy that had effectively minimized illegal immigration and as a result, created the four-year period with the greatest number of border crossings in our nation's history. Those are simply facts.

Nobody does that unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would watch the mass migration play out for over four years without doing something other than saying Congress needs to address immigration unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would send their Secretary of Homeland Security out to tell the American people the border was secure at the very same time millions of people were crossing and drugs were pouring in unless that is what they wanted. And once Joe saw how America felt about illegal immigration, he acted like he was going to try and address the problem but everybody knows what that was about. It didn't work.

Donald Trump will show you the difference between a president who wants to eliminate illegal immigration and one who wanted to maximize it.
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PandemicBlue said:
Biden sent out the message to the world and the world listened and then he came into office and cancelled every Trump policy that had effectively minimized illegal immigration and as a result, created the four-year period with the greatest number of border crossings in our nation's history. Those are simply facts.

Nobody does that unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would watch the mass migration play out for over four years without doing something other than saying Congress needs to address immigration unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would send their Secretary of Homeland Security out to tell the American people the border was secure at the very same time millions of people were crossing and drugs were pouring in unless that is what they wanted. And once Joe saw how America felt about illegal immigration, he acted like he was going to try and address the problem but everybody knows what that was about. It didn't work.

Donald Trump will show you the difference between a president who wants to eliminate illegal immigration and one who wanted to maximize it.
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I can't understand what you are saying with trump's balls in your mouth.

 
PandemicBlue said:
Wait a minute....your position is that we didn't have a record number of border crossings under Joe Biden's four years than we did during any other four year period in our history?
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Just going to try to save you from wasting any more of your time.

1. They have zero interest in discussing anything in good faith. They clearly know what you mean, but try to find some minute detail to refute your point and then say you are dumb, yada, yada, yada. Any reasonable person knows that the dims royally fucked up the border with joe's policies and rhetoric, and kamala's incompetence. That is a fact as supported by the overwhelming negative polling on border security and election results. So, Ford saying no and super trying to employ some technicality is just them acting in bad faith. At that point, all further attempts are wasted time because they can't defend the border and they can't objectively own any team responsibility. Not rational to think they could on any other topic either. Cut and do something more useful like paint something and then watch the paint dry. You will get about as much meaningful insight.

2. There is zero desire to engage in objective political discussion. Not only is it in bad faith, but arrogance, wokeness, limited intellectual curiosity, and TDS precludes any possible worthwhile discussion. You are on a political board dominated by, not just dims, but waaaaay out there dims. How many of these critical thinkers do you think participate in boards where they are in the minority? They don't have any intellectual curiosity and would rather spend all their time in a safe space where their views are echoed back and forth. There is a severe lack of seriousness in what is actually being discussed. You can't actively and intelligently engage with people who are woke. Liberals yes, there is something to be gained and learned. But woke liberals, lol might as well be talking to radicalized jihadists. Not much different in their ability to think objectively. Brainwashed is brainwashed.

But, if you disagree, keep chopping wood.
 
Callatoroy said:
Just going to try to save you from wasting any more of your time.

1. They have zero interest in discussing anything in good faith. They clearly know what you mean, but try to find some minute detail to refute your point and then say you are dumb, yada, yada, yada. Any reasonable person knows that the dims royally fucked up the border with joe's policies and rhetoric, and kamala's incompetence. That is a fact as supported by the overwhelming negative polling on border security and election results. So, Ford saying no and super trying to employ some technicality is just them acting in bad faith. At that point, all further attempts are wasted time because they can't defend the border and they can't objectively own any team responsibility. Not rational to think they could on any other topic either. Cut and do something more useful like paint something and then watch the paint dry. You will get about as much meaningful insight.

2. There is zero desire to engage in objective political discussion. Not only is it in bad faith, but arrogance, wokeness, limited intellectual curiosity, and TDS precludes any possible worthwhile discussion. You are on a political board dominated by, not just dims, but waaaaay out there dims. How many of these critical thinkers do you think participate in boards where they are in the minority? They don't have any intellectual curiosity and would rather spend all their time in a safe space where their views are echoed back and forth. There is a severe lack of seriousness in what is actually being discussed. You can't actively and intelligently engage with people who are woke. Liberals yes, there is something to be gained and learned. But woke liberals, lol might as well be talking to radicalized jihadists. Not much different in their ability to think objectively. Brainwashed is brainwashed.

But, if you disagree, keep chopping wood.
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Lolololol I love how you let us radical jihadists live in your head 24/7. Let me know if you want us to use a condom while skullfucking you! We can probably spare a few from the $50 billion shipment of rubbers we sent to Gaza.

Fake ass, soft ass wannabe conservative, so mad and so angry at the world all the time. Lighten up, sport, President Trump is gonna fix all of your problems, just like you promised! You’ll see.
 
Callatoroy said:
Just going to try to save you from wasting any more of your time.

1. They have zero interest in discussing anything in good faith. They clearly know what you mean, but try to find some minute detail to refute your point and then say you are dumb, yada, yada, yada. Any reasonable person knows that the dims royally fucked up the border with joe's policies and rhetoric, and kamala's incompetence. That is a fact as supported by the overwhelming negative polling on border security and election results. So, Ford saying no and super trying to employ some technicality is just them acting in bad faith. At that point, all further attempts are wasted time because they can't defend the border and they can't objectively own any team responsibility. Not rational to think they could on any other topic either. Cut and do something more useful like paint something and then watch the paint dry. You will get about as much meaningful insight.

2. There is zero desire to engage in objective political discussion. Not only is it in bad faith, but arrogance, wokeness, limited intellectual curiosity, and TDS precludes any possible worthwhile discussion. You are on a political board dominated by, not just dims, but waaaaay out there dims. How many of these critical thinkers do you think participate in boards where they are in the minority? They don't have any intellectual curiosity and would rather spend all their time in a safe space where their views are echoed back and forth. There is a severe lack of seriousness in what is actually being discussed. You can't actively and intelligently engage with people who are woke. Liberals yes, there is something to be gained and learned. But woke liberals, lol might as well be talking to radicalized jihadists. Not much different in their ability to think objectively. Brainwashed is brainwashed.

But, if you disagree, keep chopping wood.
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Just a reminder that this is a thread about Trump violating the law, while you scold others for not engaging in serious discussion.
Okay, back to the BDS caterwauling.
 
If thet don't like the ruling, then appeal it like previous R and D Presidents did. No President is above ther law.

So by MAGA logic an upcoming administratation could reimpose Eisenhower era high tax rates on large corps and high net worth individuals and ignore a judge who says you can't do that, Actually if you took all the tax cuts for corps and rich folks beginning with Reaganm added up the costs over the past 4O+ years in lost revenue, the deficit goes bye bye most likely
 
ChileG said:
Just a reminder that this is a thread about Trump violating the law, while you scold others for not engaging in serious discussion.
Okay, back to the BDS caterwauling.
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Our board Trumpers have stage 4 Biden Derangement Syndrome. Unfortunately, there’s no cure and no help. We’re going to have to call in hospice.
 
PandemicBlue said:
Biden sent out the message to the world and the world listened and then he came into office and cancelled every Trump policy that had effectively minimized illegal immigration and as a result, created the four-year period with the greatest number of border crossings in our nation's history. Those are simply facts.

Nobody does that unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would watch the mass migration play out for over four years without doing something other than saying Congress needs to address immigration unless that is what they wanted. Nobody would send their Secretary of Homeland Security out to tell the American people the border was secure at the very same time millions of people were crossing and drugs were pouring in unless that is what they wanted. And once Joe saw how America felt about illegal immigration, he acted like he was going to try and address the problem but everybody knows what that was about. It didn't work.

Donald Trump will show you the difference between a president who wants to eliminate illegal immigration and one who wanted to maximize it.
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Your first paragraph is full of lies. Trump's policies were cancelled by the courts, because they were blatantly illegal. Then Trump seized on the pandemic to put in a policy based on emergency powers. Biden continued those policies, but when the pandemic ended, the authority to continue them did not exist. The radical Marxists on the Supreme Court were in part responsible for that.

You are the reason we can't have nice things in this country. There is no limit to the bullshit you will gladly ingest so long as you think it will keep American white. You are willing to break everything, apparently, because of your racism. Everything this country has ever been, you'd be happy to flush it because brown people.

I mean, look at your last sentence. Yes, Trump wants to eliminate illegal immigration -- AT ANY COST. That's not how America has ever worked. You like to bring up history, apparently, so maybe you can appreciate that until Trump we have always been a country of laws (not perfectly, but mostly). That's been the key to our success. Rule of law and immigration. And you're trying to throw out the former in order to stifle the latter.

The fact that you seem to care about nothing other than keeping brown people out of the country -- people who don't harm you and who make your life better in countless ways! -- is how we can tell what lies in your heart. Nobody except a virulent racist would say what you say. Nobody except a virulent racist would prioritize a wall over the rule of law. That's just a fact.
 
ChileG said:
Just a reminder that this is a thread about Trump violating the law, while you scold others for not engaging in serious discussion.
Okay, back to the BDS caterwauling.
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Now you care about the law. 4 years late but I guess better late than never.
 
Callatoroy said:
Just going to try to save you from wasting any more of your time.

1. They have zero interest in discussing anything in good faith. They clearly know what you mean, but try to find some minute detail to refute your point and then say you are dumb, yada, yada, yada. Any reasonable person knows that the dims royally fucked up the border with joe's policies and rhetoric, and kamala's incompetence. That is a fact as supported by the overwhelming negative polling on border security and election results. So, Ford saying no and super trying to employ some technicality is just them acting in bad faith. At that point, all further attempts are wasted time because they can't defend the border and they can't objectively own any team responsibility. Not rational to think they could on any other topic either. Cut and do something more useful like paint something and then watch the paint dry. You will get about as much meaningful insight.

2. There is zero desire to engage in objective political discussion. Not only is it in bad faith, but arrogance, wokeness, limited intellectual curiosity, and TDS precludes any possible worthwhile discussion. You are on a political board dominated by, not just dims, but waaaaay out there dims. How many of these critical thinkers do you think participate in boards where they are in the minority? They don't have any intellectual curiosity and would rather spend all their time in a safe space where their views are echoed back and forth. There is a severe lack of seriousness in what is actually being discussed. You can't actively and intelligently engage with people who are woke. Liberals yes, there is something to be gained and learned. But woke liberals, lol might as well be talking to radicalized jihadists. Not much different in their ability to think objectively. Brainwashed is brainwashed.

But, if you disagree, keep chopping wood.
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Translation: "I don't care if Trump uses the constitution as toilet paper to wipe his hairy ass, as long as I get to say I owned the libs" Or did you forget what this thread was actually about?

This is also yet another entertaining example of how you can't remember more than like 2% of the posts and threads on this board. Imagine reading the numerous threads on this board in which liberals and leftists of all stripes fight with each other and coming to the conclusion that we all agree about everything. As I've said about you before: this is just the classic conservative mentality of "everything I believe is completely and objectively reasonable and anyone to the left of me must be a raving leftist lunatic.

Also, didn't you try to make fun of me like a week ago for using the phrase "intellectual curiosity"? And now you're trying to use it unironically? LOL. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right bud?
 
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