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PandemicBlue said:
they live in tents while at the same time, tries to sneak $59 million out the back door of the EPA to send to New York
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And why were those migrants in New York? Because Abbott and DeSantis bussed them there. And you loved that, even when the price tag was pointed out to you. We specifically had this conversation, you and me, at least a couple of times on the old board. The conversation went something like this:

Me: Why are they busing people from Mexico into a winter storm when they don't even have a coat? It seems cruel for the sake of cruel
You: Because now you elites in the cities will understand the burdens that migrants place on communities.
Me: I understand that. That's why the migrant costs are paid by the federal government
You: Oh, so you want to spend our taxpayer money on this
Me: I don't want to do anything. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make sense to complain about costs while sending the people to the most expensive real estate in the country
You: You elites think you're better than us?
Me: It's got nothing to do with that. Cities are inherently more expensive. Since it's all coming out of the same pot of money, all your homies are doing is costing the taxpayer money
You: [rants about how I lack common sense, or intelligence, or whatever insults you hurl in gross]
Me: I'm not going to argue about this any more. If you think this is a good use of taxpayer money to make your "point," I mean, sure. Just don't come back in a couple of years and complain about the costs
Rest of Board: Oh, he will.
Me: I know.

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And right on cue, you're complaining about the costs exactly as I predicted. Care to retract your spittle-flecked insults and apologize?

Of course, the problem is that the migrants are actually not here illegally. They are awaiting an immigration hearing. There are way too few ALJs to process the claims, which is why the average wait time is like 8 years. And during those 8 years, we have to house them, and because they have no work authorization, they can't do anything. They are in essence wards of the state.

Do you know what attempted to fix this problem? The bipartisan immigration bill which, among other things, vastly increased the number of ALJs to process asylum claims. That would cut the backlog of cases, and thus require us to house the migrants for much less time. I think the bill also allowed migrants to have work authorizations (upon application, maybe?), but I'm not sure about that.

Point is: this is a problem entirely of YOUR making. At every step of the way, YOU CHEERED the decisions that put migrants in NYC hotels. YOUR SIDE DID THIS.

Maybe next time, instead of calling me names, you could learn a few things.
 
superrific said:
And why were those migrants in New York? Because Abbott and DeSantis bussed them there. And you loved that, even when the price tag was pointed out to you. We specifically had this conversation, you and me, at least a couple of times on the old board. The conversation went something like this:

Me: Why are they busing people from Mexico into a winter storm when they don't even have a coat? It seems cruel for the sake of cruel
You: Because now you elites in the cities will understand the burdens that migrants place on communities.
Me: I understand that. That's why the migrant costs are paid by the federal government
You: Oh, so you want to spend our taxpayer money on this
Me: I don't want to do anything. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make sense to complain about costs while sending the people to the most expensive real estate in the country
You: You elites think you're better than us?
Me: It's got nothing to do with that. Cities are inherently more expensive. Since it's all coming out of the same pot of money, all your homies are doing is costing the taxpayer money
You: [rants about how I lack common sense, or intelligence, or whatever insults you hurl in gross]
Me: I'm not going to argue about this any more. If you think this is a good use of taxpayer money to make your "point," I mean, sure. Just don't come back in a couple of years and complain about the costs
Rest of Board: Oh, he will.
Me: I know.

*****
And right on cue, you're complaining about the costs exactly as I predicted. Care to retract your spittle-flecked insults and apologize?

Of course, the problem is that the migrants are actually not here illegally. They are awaiting an immigration hearing. There are way too few ALJs to process the claims, which is why the average wait time is like 8 years. And during those 8 years, we have to house them, and because they have no work authorization, they can't do anything. They are in essence wards of the state.

Do you know what attempted to fix this problem? The bipartisan immigration bill which, among other things, vastly increased the number of ALJs to process asylum claims. That would cut the backlog of cases, and thus require us to house the migrants for much less time. I think the bill also allowed migrants to have work authorizations (upon application, maybe?), but I'm not sure about that.

Point is: this is a problem entirely of YOUR making. At every step of the way, YOU CHEERED the decisions that put migrants in NYC hotels. YOUR SIDE DID THIS.

Maybe next time, instead of calling me names, you could learn a few things.
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That's why, imo and by their logic, every immigration problem since the immigration bill failed is on the MAGAts' head.
 
ZenMode said:
Right, more details are needed but most any hotel in NY city is going to be a more expensive option than non-NY city hotel or using a vacant building, etc...
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1. Vacant building? Are you serious? You are simultaneously complaining about migrants carrying drugs over the border, and housing them in vacant buildings? Have you ever heard of a crack house?

2. This was why it was a bad idea to bus the migrants to NYC in the first place. Your side did that. Check out my response to pandemicblue on the other thread for explication.

In short, your team did this. It's entirely on you. So own it and stop whining.
 
ZenMode said:
Ok. So, if we're talking about matters related to use of federal funding, which I'm assuming is what is in question here, which district judge would have jurisdiction over the Executive branch? DC?
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Would you like an explainer? I'll be happy to provide one, but only if you're going to learn from it and not argue with me. Asking questions to understand is fine. Asking questions to challenge me, when I'm providing a public service, is not OK.

This is probably the only message board in the entire country where you can get explainers from law professors for free. Whether you take advantage of that is up to you.
 
ZenMode said:
Who decided use NY hotels vs a Motel 6 in the Bronx or housing them in a vacant building or other fiscally responsible options.
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This is about NYC's handling of housing immigrants, I suspect any federal money is going to similarly situated housing...

While a few upscale hotels such as the Roosevelt have been converted to shelter migrants, the majority are housed in more affordable establishments, and none in five-star hotels.

Eric Trump said in a speech at the Republican National Convention, “illegal immigrants are housed in the most expensive hotels in New York,” but Sean Hennessey, a hotel industry adviser, told the New York Times it is primarily two-star hotels that are housing undocumented migrants.

New York City entered into a contract of up to $980 million with a hotel trade group to pay hotels that decide to shelter migrants under its “Sancturary Hotel Program.”

Most of those hotels were deep in debt, facing foreclosure or had received poor reviews from guests. About half were brand names including Courtyard, Holiday Inn Express, SpringHill Suites and Super 8.

The city contract requires hotels hosting migrants to pick up trash, do housekeeping every other day and provide fresh towels.

wisconsinwatch.org

Are undocumented immigrants in most expensive New York hotels?

While about 65,000 migrants are being sheltered in New York City hotels, tent dormitories and other shelters, they are not in luxury hotels.
wisconsinwatch.org wisconsinwatch.org
 
superrific said:
Would you like an explainer? I'll be happy to provide one, but only if you're going to learn from it and not argue with me. Asking questions to understand is fine. Asking questions to challenge me, when I'm providing a public service, is not OK.

This is probably the only message board in the entire country where you can get explainers from law professors for free. Whether you take advantage of that is up to you.
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Explainers are good, so yes.
 
finesse said:
What personal insult? You took umbrage because you acted like you had a less than third grade understanding of civics so I responded to you in kind. Don't play naif and then demand respect.
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"What personal insult?"

Stop playing dumb. A) I already called it out and b) you know it was unnecessary.

Again... stop playing dumb and acknowledge you were being a prick.
 
CFordUNC said:
Literally everything you ever post is inaccurate, chief. Why would I waste my time responding to them point-by-point? I'd do it if I thought it might help change your mind or at the very least open your mind to considering other possibilities, but it won't, so I won't. I'm not here to humor you. I'm here to tell you that everything you post is steeped in the dumbest, most easily refuted right wing propaganda bullshit that the internet has to offer. I don't care how that makes you feel.
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If going point by point is so exhausting, just name one then.

Just answer these two questions....

1. Did a record number, in our country's history, of immigrants enter our country during Joe Biden's presidency?

2.If the answer is yes, how much coverage did the news sources you use to form your opinions dedicate to covering a historical record number of illegal immigration, much of which happened during a pandemic?
 
superrific said:
1. Vacant building? Are you serious? You are simultaneously complaining about migrants carrying drugs over the border, and housing them in vacant buildings? Have you ever heard of a crack house?

2. This was why it was a bad idea to bus the migrants to NYC in the first place. Your side did that. Check out my response to pandemicblue on the other thread for explication.

In short, your team did this. It's entirely on you. So own it and stop whining.
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The people who would be under the care of individual states and the federal government likely aren't the ones sneaking drugs across the border. They are the ones going to a port of entry,requesting asylum, being vetted, documented, etc.

If we are housing the ones truly sneaking across the border, that is an entirely different and more concerning situation.

Also, individual hotel rooms don't seem to be any more of a deterrent for illegal drug activity than a converted building.
 
ZenMode said:
"What personal insult?"

Stop playing dumb. A) I already called it out and b) you know it was unnecessary.

Again... stop playing dumb and acknowledge you were being a prick.
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Of course I am. I still claim that your words and artful dodging is sufficient justification. How dare I treat you the way you acted. You didn't think acting that disingenuous about the separation of powers didn't deserve a child's primer? Get over yourself, snowflake.
 
PandemicBlue said:
If going point by point is so exhausting, just name one then.

Just answer these two questions....

1. Did a record number, in our country's history, of immigrants enter our country during Joe Biden's presidency?

2.If the answer is yes, how much coverage did the news sources you use to form your opinions dedicate to covering a historical record number of illegal immigration, much of which happened during a pandemic?
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1. Not even close, and certainly not close as a % of the population. American history is a long time, chief.

2. Care to respond to my post in which I reminded you that you supported the things that you now claim are horrible?
 
PandemicBlue said:
You have been witnessing the destruction of America for a long time, most recently, an administration which encouraged an invasion into this country by millions upon millions of illegal immigrants from all over the world. You have watched drug cartels just over our southern border amass billions of dollars as a result of exploiting the millions of people funneled into the US by Biden and his cronies that they will in turn use to create more destruction in America. You have witnessed these same cartels flood this country with drugs which has led to thousands upon thousands of dead Americans as well as all the other damage created short of death while the Biden Administration told you over and over again how the border was secure.

If what you see now reminds you of 2020, what did everything you witnessed the 4 years prior remind you of?

Hopefully now we will have a president who will actually try to stop the spiral down. One who will secure the border, try and eliminate the massive amount of waste and fraud our country is involved in, try and keep the rest of the world from taking advantage of the US and the US taxpayer, and instead of stupidly sitting back and watching China rise towards the top over the last 30 years taking advantage of the US, like every president before, will actually hold them accountable for their decades long abuse.

Now, if only he can get a bunch of Democrats, who put their own self-interest aside in order to hate Trump, out of the way.
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ZenMode said:
The people who would be under the care of individual states and the federal government likely aren't the ones sneaking drugs across the border. They are the ones going to a port of entry,requesting asylum, being vetted, documented, etc.

If we are housing the ones truly sneaking across the border, that is an entirely different and more concerning situation.

Also, individual hotel rooms don't seem to be any more of a deterrent for illegal drug activity than a converted building.
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No, the ones sneaking in over 85% of the fentanyl are going home to their homes here in America because they are citizens.
 
finesse said:
Of course I am. I still claim that your words and artful dodging is sufficient justification. How dare I treat you the way you acted. You didn't think acting that disingenuous about the separation of powers didn't deserve a child's primer? Get over yourself, snowflake.
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You're claiming to be omniscient and using that claimed omniscience to justify being a prick.

You really don't stop, do you?
 
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PandemicBlue said:
If going point by point is so exhausting, just name one then.

Just answer these two questions....

1. Did a record number, in our country's history, of immigrants enter our country during Joe Biden's presidency?

2.If the answer is yes, how much coverage did the news sources you use to form your opinions dedicate to covering a historical record number of illegal immigration, much of which happened during a pandemic?
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No.

Next question.
 
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