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“5/ Yes, there are some mixed messages from Hegseth, Vance, Trump and GOP senators. But the overall change in direction is easily discernible - and of course only Trump’s voice and decisions truly matter. Did Americans vote for this change to this degree? I don’t know. But the shift will affect the world and Americans’ lives in measurable ways for many years to come.”
 
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Fact check: Musk, Trump deceive about a Trump-era Pentagon contract for ‘social deception’ defense​




“President Donald Trump and ally Elon Musk are misleadingly depicting a Pentagon defense contract that was awarded during Trump’s first presidency.

The $9.1 million contract was awarded to Thomson Reuters Special Services, a company that provides “data-driven solutions” to the federal government and other clients, to work on defenses against “social engineering” cyberattacks, which use “social deception” tactics to trick humans.

In a Wednesday social media post that didn’t explain what the contract was actually for, Musk insinuated that the Reuters news agency, which has the same parent company as Thomson Reuters Special Services, was paid by the government to engage in deception.

And neither Musk nor Trump, who made a Thursday post amplifying Musk’s claim, noted that the contract began under Trump in 2018.

Asked for comment, Thomson Reuters Special Services chief executive Steve Rubley said in a Thursday statement to CNN that “recent public discourse” has “inaccurately represented the nature of the business between TRSS and the Department of Defense,” and has incorrectly conflated Reuters News with TRSS, a separate legal entity that has its own board of directors and “operates independently from Reuters News.”

… Musk has previously criticized the Reuters news agency over its coverage of his business ventures. He wrote on his X social media platform on Wednesday night: “Reuters was paid millions of dollars by the US government for ‘large scale social deception’. That is literally what it says on the purchase order! They’re a total scam. Just wow.”

… detailed information about the contract has long been publicly available on the US government’s spending disclosure website.

… The nature of the contract was described, in the brief and vague manner typical of federal contract descriptions, as “ACTIVE SOCIAL ENGINEERING DEFENSE (ASED) LARGE SCALE SOCIAL DECEPTION (LSD).”

… DARPA explained on its website that it was seeking to develop technology to “automatically identify, disrupt, and investigate social engineering attacks” – attacks known as “social engineering” because they try to deceive or “engineer” humans into performing certain actions, like clicking on links to malicious software, divulging sensitive information or giving up money. …”
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Vance tells Europe it needs to take lead on Ukraine’s future security​

The vice president said the NATO alliance needed to step up for Ukraine as the United States faces more challenges in East Asia.


“… Ahead of a Friday morning meeting with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Vance said Washington would remain Europe’s ally, but that the continent needed to do more to improve its own military capabilities as the Trump administration reorients its attention toward dealing with China.

“NATO is a very important military alliance, of course, that we’re the most significant part of,” Vance said alongside Rutte. “But we want to make sure that NATO is actually built for the future, and we think a big part of that is ensuring that NATO does a little bit more burden-sharing in Europe, so the United States can focus on some of our challenges in East Asia.”

… Trump’s approach to the talks has been an energy boost to Putin, who has long sought to sit down with a U.S. leader to remake the post-Cold War security architecture and now appears to have a chance to do so, consigning Europe to a back-seat role in the conversation. Generations of U.S. leaders before Trump have said that Russia has neither the power nor the right to veto how Europe protects itself. Even Trump’s decision to speak to Putin before consulting with Zelensky was a victory for the Kremlin. …”
 
nycfan said:

Vance tells Europe it needs to take lead on Ukraine’s future security​

The vice president said the NATO alliance needed to step up for Ukraine as the United States faces more challenges in East Asia.


“… Ahead of a Friday morning meeting with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Vance said Washington would remain Europe’s ally, but that the continent needed to do more to improve its own military capabilities as the Trump administration reorients its attention toward dealing with China.

“NATO is a very important military alliance, of course, that we’re the most significant part of,” Vance said alongside Rutte. “But we want to make sure that NATO is actually built for the future, and we think a big part of that is ensuring that NATO does a little bit more burden-sharing in Europe, so the United States can focus on some of our challenges in East Asia.”

… Trump’s approach to the talks has been an energy boost to Putin, who has long sought to sit down with a U.S. leader to remake the post-Cold War security architecture and now appears to have a chance to do so, consigning Europe to a back-seat role in the conversation. Generations of U.S. leaders before Trump have said that Russia has neither the power nor the right to veto how Europe protects itself. Even Trump’s decision to speak to Putin before consulting with Zelensky was a victory for the Kremlin. …”
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A lot of mixed messaging from the Administration in Europe and about Russia and Ukraine.

Vance Wields Threat of Sanctions, Military Action to Push Putin Into Ukraine Deal​

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, the vice president says Ukraine must have ‘sovereign independence’​


GIFT LINK 🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/va...ac?st=SjJW4C&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink
 
nycfan said:
A lot of mixed messaging from the Administration in Europe and about Russia and Ukraine.

Vance Wields Threat of Sanctions, Military Action to Push Putin Into Ukraine Deal​

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, the vice president says Ukraine must have ‘sovereign independence’​


GIFT LINK 🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/va...ac?st=SjJW4C&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink
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“… Vance said the option of sending U.S. troops to Ukraine if Moscow failed to negotiate in good faith remained “on the table,” striking a far tougher tone than did Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who on Wednesday suggested the U.S. wouldn’t commit forces.

… In an interview with The Wall Street Journal hours after Trump said he would start negotiating with Putin to end the war in Ukraine, Vance said: “I think there is a deal that is going to come out of this that’s going to shock a lot of people.”

… “The president is not going to go in this with blinders on,” Vance said. “He’s going to say, ‘Everything is on the table, let’s make a deal.’” …”

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“… Vance said the option of sending U.S. troops to Ukraine if Moscow failed to negotiate in good faith remained “on the table,” striking a far tougher tone than did Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who on Wednesday suggested the U.S. wouldn’t commit forces.

… In an interview with The Wall Street Journal hours after Trump said he would start negotiating with Putin to end the war in Ukraine, Vance said: “I think there is a deal that is going to come out of this that’s going to shock a lot of people.”

… “The president is not going to go in this with blinders on,” Vance said. “He’s going to say, ‘Everything is on the table, let’s make a deal.’” …”

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nycfan said:

Vance tells Europe it needs to take lead on Ukraine’s future security​

The vice president said the NATO alliance needed to step up for Ukraine as the United States faces more challenges in East Asia.


“… Ahead of a Friday morning meeting with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Vance said Washington would remain Europe’s ally, but that the continent needed to do more to improve its own military capabilities as the Trump administration reorients its attention toward dealing with China.

“NATO is a very important military alliance, of course, that we’re the most significant part of,” Vance said alongside Rutte. “But we want to make sure that NATO is actually built for the future, and we think a big part of that is ensuring that NATO does a little bit more burden-sharing in Europe, so the United States can focus on some of our challenges in East Asia.”

… Trump’s approach to the talks has been an energy boost to Putin, who has long sought to sit down with a U.S. leader to remake the post-Cold War security architecture and now appears to have a chance to do so, consigning Europe to a back-seat role in the conversation. Generations of U.S. leaders before Trump have said that Russia has neither the power nor the right to veto how Europe protects itself. Even Trump’s decision to speak to Putin before consulting with Zelensky was a victory for the Kremlin. …”
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Honestly, Ukraine would be better off with Europe taking the lead and cutting the US out of the picture.
 
nycfan said:




“5/ Yes, there are some mixed messages from Hegseth, Vance, Trump and GOP senators. But the overall change in direction is easily discernible - and of course only Trump’s voice and decisions truly matter. Did Americans vote for this change to this degree? I don’t know. But the shift will affect the world and Americans’ lives in measurable ways for many years to come.”
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“… The United States is rapidly being viewed as unreliable”
 
I’m sincerely glad that both of my grandfathers, one of which landed on Omaha Beach at 19 years old to fight fascism, and the other of which landed on Iwo Jima at 20 years old to fight imperialism, aren’t around to see the United States of America capitulate to both in front of the entire world. I’m probably naïve and stupid, both, but it’s really hard for me to wrap my minuscule brain around how we got to this point where the United States is begging to join an axis of evil. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to be gained from partnering with Russia or with fascist out parties in Germany, but there is everything to lose.
 


Musk is a member of the U.S. government now, so a big difference, as a start.
 
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