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ZenMode said:
I never said there shouldn't be a minimum wage set by the government. Did you actually read what I typed and understand it in context?
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Nobody understands what point you're trying to make because you keep shifting it. What was the point of calling the increase in minimum wage "forced" and then following that up by saying that the market can set its own minimum wage if not to suggest that you don't necessarily agree with the government setting a minimum wage?
 
Ddseddse said:
Of all the posters on this board, I'm most disappointed by Zen. Smart enough to know better, not overtly trolling like a lot of others, not a professional contrarian, just stuck in a mental groove they can't quite seem to snap out of. Cognitive bias is a hell of a drug. I haven't lost faith in them. They'll have their CFord like come to Jesus moment sooner or later. They're too smart not to. But damned if I'm not disappointed it hasn't happened by now.
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His sig line makes your point even more stark and/or ironic. And I'm not convinced he's not some kind of pathological contrarian either, at least on political threads. Fortunately, he's not a belligerent ass and is easy enough to ignore.
 
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“Only” three people but these transfers would virtually guarantee they would be at grave risk of physical harm or worse …
 
rodoheel said:
Nobody understands what point you're trying to make because you keep shifting it. What was the point of calling the increase in minimum wage "forced" and then following that up by saying that the market can set its own minimum wage if not to suggest that you don't necessarily agree with the government setting a minimum wage?
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cford posted a story that had a heading:

"The middle class is seeing slower income growth than both the rich and the poor"

and I asked:

Could this (poor) be due to the forced increases in minimum wage? I'd venture that none in the middle class work for minimum wage while many poor do.

Minimum wage in AZ has close to doubled, but those already above aren't getting comparable increases.

That's it. Clear as day, IMO.
 
It is interesting how all these programs, including research and science based ones, are on the chopping block yet not a peep about NASA and space exploration funding. Hmmm . . . I wonder why?
 
Geisterfahrer said:
That it’s Congress’s power to legislate and spend. As far as I know, they’ve never ruled the President can destroy that power by fiat.
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I was listening to a podcast this morning about the Christian Nationalist Russell Vought. He, and the project 2025 team, believe that the President does have this power.

Of course he also believes that the President and the country answer to his mythical God.

With people like this in power, we're fucked.

But I guess Calla and Ramrouser will be ok when church is mandatory and tithing is taken out of your check pre tax.
 
Callatoroy said:
And in the end it won't be destroyed. Money will go where it is by law supposed to go. And he will use the authority he has to reduce the size of the executive branch and the spending along with it.
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I read a good suggestion yesterday.

He should reduce the staff for each representative by 50%. And reduce their budget by 50%.
 
ZenMode said:
cford posted a story that had a heading:

"The middle class is seeing slower income growth than both the rich and the poor"

and I asked:

Could this (poor) be due to the forced increases in minimum wage? I'd venture that none in the middle class work for minimum wage while many poor do.

Minimum wage in AZ has close to doubled, but those already above aren't getting comparable increases.

That's it. Clear as day, IMO.
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None of that is remotely responsive to the questions I just posed, which has to do with what you meant by using the word "forced" to describe a minimum wage increase and why you then talked about the market setting a minimum wage in certain circumstances.
 
Related: Trump Org sues Brazilian judge claiming potential violation of First Amendment Rights because of ruling about Rumble — but goal appears to be to harass judge for election coup attempt case against Bolsonaro:



“President Trump’s media company and the video-sharing platform Rumble are suing a Brazilian Supreme Court justice, accusing him of illegally censoring political discourse on social media in the U.S.

The companies said Brazilian Justice Alexandre de Moraes’s gag orders to ban accounts violated U.S. sovereignty and its free-speech protections. They argued he overstepped his authority by suspending U.S. based accounts belonging to a “well-known politically outspoken user,” according to the lawsuit, but didn’t identify the user.

… Trump’s company and Rumble said the justice has targeted critics of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silvaand supporters of former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, who has been accused of helping to plot a coup. De Moraes is overseeing investigations into Bolsonaro.“
 
1moretimeagain said:
File under we must reduce the deficit or we’ll go bankrupt. Also, government handouts caused inflation.

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Yeah I'm not surprised that Trump would try to buy votes by sending voters a check but it's pretty funny to propose cutting waste to reduce the deficit then just eat up whatever deficit savings you supposedly make by immediately sending the money out.
 
rodoheel said:
None of that is remotely responsive to the questions I just posed, which has to do with what you meant by using the word "forced" to describe a minimum wage increase and why you then talked about the market setting a minimum wage in certain circumstances.
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I agree because you and Centerpiece apparently assumed I was anti-legislation to increase minimum wage. That belief apparently came from my use of the word "forced" even though state legislation literally forces an increase in minimum wage that wasn't occurring naturally.

I missed the fact that you were trying to turn a simple question to cford into an assumption and then a debate, so.....
 
rodoheel said:
Yeah I'm not surprised that Trump would try to buy votes by sending voters a check but it's pretty funny to propose cutting waste to reduce the deficit then just eat up whatever deficit savings you supposedly make by immediately sending the money out.
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On this one I’m going to have to take a Republican position. It’s very important for the government to send the $5k to me, but a terrible idea to send it to everyone else.
 
Callatoroy said:
Actually its the opposite of my argument. Biden's use was terrible and enabled trump's abuse. So far, trump's use is as bad and likely to get worse. My comments, knowing the characters on this board, were to preemptively call out the hypocrisy that was sure to follow.
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Biden's use of the pardon power was bad and I and others have disagreed with it but it did nothing to "enable" anything Trump is doing with the pardon power. Trump and his followers have zero concern for "norms" or logical consistency and he would have done the same thing regardless. What is "enabling" the abuse of the pardon power is way the Framers themselves set up that power, which is ripe for exactly this sort of abuse.
 
Healing said:
I look forward to the insight from our resident apologists and don ciphers for how this quote is:
  1. In keeping with a country of law and order
  2. In keeping with the constitutional framework of a democracy
  3. In keeping with a presidency and not a monarchy/autocracy
don has committed a dozen or more acts, in less than a month, that would have resulted in impeachment of any prior president.
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Just re-upping this post, in light of don declaring himself an autocrat yesterday, as I never saw a response.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree because you and Centerpiece apparently assumed I was anti-legislation to increase minimum wage. That belief apparently came from my use of the word "forced" even though state legislation literally forces an increase in minimum wage that wasn't occurring naturally.

I missed the fact that you were trying to turn a simple question to cford into an assumption and then a debate, so.....
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You missed the fact that on a message board other people besides cford might ask you questions about the things you said in your post?

I apologize. I did not realize you were brand new to message board posting.

There is no such thing as the minimum wage increasing "naturally." That is the clear source of the confusion here. The very idea of a "minimum wage" is a wage that no one can legally pay under.
 
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