Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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nycfan said:
“… On Wednesday, U.S. officials began flying hundreds of people, including people from Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, to Panama, which is under intense pressure to appease Mr. Trump, who has threatened to take over the Panama Canal.

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The Panamanian government has barred journalists from visiting the migrants. But The New York Times managed to interview several people inside the hotel, all of whom said they were asylum seekers being held against their will.

In one window visible from a sidewalk below the hotel, a woman clawed at a latchless glass pane in an attempt to escape. When she noticed journalists below, she held up a piece of paper that read “Afghan.”

She made hand motions that indicated an airplane, then her head falling off. The message seemed to be clear: A flight home meant death.

… A migrant from Iran, Artemis Ghasemzadeh, 27, wrote “Help us” in lipstick on one window. The Times, which was able to contact Ms. Ghasemzadeh and other deportees by cellphone, conducted interviews with her, several other Iranian deportees and a migrant from China. Many of the deportees wanted only their first or last names used out of fear that they would suffer reprisals if returned to their countries. …”
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What in the actual fuck have we become?
 
Callatoroy said:
If mexico won't do anything about the cartels, trump said during the campaign he would. I'm just very interested to see that if he did attack a cartel with a drone, how many on here would be sympathetic to the cartel.
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No one would. But you miss the point (as usual). The point is the US would be carrying out military action in the territory of an ally. Drone attacks would result in the deaths of innocent people. Just see Gaza as a point of reference. How would you feel if Mexico carried drone strikes in the US?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Making an "ASMR" video of any criminal and publishing it on the official account of the White House is grotesque and emblematic of a people and nation with no moral grounding.
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Deporting criminals is moral purity for the country. Not deporting them and complaining about deporting them is a sign of immorality
 
Callatoroy said:
Deporting criminals is moral purity for the country. Not deporting them and complaining about deporting them is a sign of immorality
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Way to avoid the topic and reply to my post without actually addressing what I said.

I have no issue deporting people who require deportation due to criminality. I have a serious issue with making ASMR porn out of any criminal punishment. After you get done pleasuring yourself to the video, you can come back to reality and stick to the topic.
 
nycfan said:
“… On Wednesday, U.S. officials began flying hundreds of people, including people from Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, to Panama, which is under intense pressure to appease Mr. Trump, who has threatened to take over the Panama Canal.

…
The Panamanian government has barred journalists from visiting the migrants. But The New York Times managed to interview several people inside the hotel, all of whom said they were asylum seekers being held against their will.

In one window visible from a sidewalk below the hotel, a woman clawed at a latchless glass pane in an attempt to escape. When she noticed journalists below, she held up a piece of paper that read “Afghan.”

She made hand motions that indicated an airplane, then her head falling off. The message seemed to be clear: A flight home meant death.

… A migrant from Iran, Artemis Ghasemzadeh, 27, wrote “Help us” in lipstick on one window. The Times, which was able to contact Ms. Ghasemzadeh and other deportees by cellphone, conducted interviews with her, several other Iranian deportees and a migrant from China. Many of the deportees wanted only their first or last names used out of fear that they would suffer reprisals if returned to their countries. …”
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Yet DOJ filings claim Musk is NOT the administrator of DOGE but have yet to name who is administrator of DOGE.
 
nycfan said:
Serious question, can you explain what this means? [If it helps, I can provide background on the grant in question]
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“… Power Forward Communities, a coalition of some of the country’s most trusted housing, climate, and community investment groups, was today officially awarded a $2 billion, seven-year National Clean Investment Fund (NCIF) grant from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). With funds expected to start flowing into homes in early 2025, the grant will make possible the affordable decarbonization of homes and apartments throughout the country, with a particular focus on low-income and disadvantaged communities.

“We have the technology to improve the health, safety, and comfort of Americans’ 130 million homes, but before today, we have lacked a level of investment that can financially unlock these solutions,” said Tim Mayopoulos, CEO of Power Forward Communities and former CEO of Fannie Mae, the nation’s leading source of housing finance. “The Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund is a game-changer, particularly for low-income and disadvantaged communities. It will not only drive the decarbonization of homes that the climate demands, but mobilize additional tens of billions of dollars of private capital to improve Americans’ homes.”

The coalition – led by Enterprise Community Partners, Rewiring America, Habitat for Humanity International, Local Initiatives Support Corporation (LISC), and United Way Worldwide – came together to transform the housing sector, save homeowners and renters money, invest in stronger communities, and help meet national climate goals. …”

powerforwardcommunities.org

Power Forward Communities

Our mission is to transform the housing market, save both homeowners and renters money, reinvest in communities, and tackle the climate crisis.
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Stacey Abrams is senior counsel for one of the many groups in the coalition - Rewiring America. She does not run Power Forward Communities.
 
Patb78 said:
No one would. But you miss the point (as usual). The point is the US would be carrying out military action in the territory of an ally. Drone attacks would result in the deaths of innocent people. Just see Gaza as a point of reference. How would you feel if Mexico carried drone strikes in the US?
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I haven't missed any point. Mexico is complicit in killing 70,000 mostly innocent Americans every year by their refusal to clamp down on the cartels. They have had ample opportunity but have shown either through capitulation, corruption, or weakness that they are feckless in dealing with the cartels. So, trump threatens tariffs to get them to clamp down which won't likely work so the next step on the ladder is to target them as terrorists and attack them. Comparing a drone strike on some cartel outpost in the jungle vs gaza is a horrible comparison. Not even close to the same. With respect to this issue, mexico can suck a big ole avocado and chase it with a corona.
 
Callatoroy said:
I haven't missed any point. Mexico is complicit in killing 70,000 mostly innocent Americans every year by their refusal to clamp down on the cartels. They have had ample opportunity but have shown either through capitulation, corruption, or weakness that they are feckless in dealing with the cartels. So, trump threatens tariffs to get them to clamp down which won't likely work so the next step on the ladder is to target them as terrorists and attack them. Comparing a drone strike on some cartel outpost in the jungle vs gaza is a horrible comparison. Not even close to the same. With respect to this issue, mexico can suck a big ole avocado and chase it with a corona.
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Ok, so what if Mexico launches drone strikes against firearms smugglers in the US?
 
Callatoroy said:
I haven't missed any point. Mexico is complicit in killing 70,000 mostly innocent Americans every year by their refusal to clamp down on the cartels. They have had ample opportunity but have shown either through capitulation, corruption, or weakness that they are feckless in dealing with the cartels. So, trump threatens tariffs to get them to clamp down which won't likely work so the next step on the ladder is to target them as terrorists and attack them. Comparing a drone strike on some cartel outpost in the jungle vs gaza is a horrible comparison. Not even close to the same. With respect to this issue, mexico can suck a big ole avocado and chase it with a corona.
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And how do you think carrying out military operations in Mexico is going to help? As to my comparison to Gaza, it’s a great comparison. These people will melt into the communities they oppress. There’s no doubt there are a few hard targets that can be hit, but that will not stop the drug traffic. Once again, we will be attacking an ally (for now) and will end up killing huge numbers of innocent people if Trump follows thru with this policy. Also, you did not answer my question. How would you feel if Mexico attacked our sovereign soul with drone strikes?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Ok, so what if Mexico launches drone strikes against firearms smugglers in the US?
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Then they would have fucked up. You can't compare the two issues. We have been trying to get mexico to step up their fight with the cartels since the late 70s. The US is actively pursuing legislation to increase inspections at the border to catch the gun runners because the guns help fuel the cartels ability for violence and in the end helps drive more drugs northward. A big difference between biden and trump is trump will actually do something rather than making a quarterly statement that mexico needs to stop the flow of fentanyl and then crickets for several months. You might not like what he is going to do and I get that but he is going to act. And in this case I'm all for it. I don't care if mexico gets pissed. They have had 50 years to deal with the cartels and have waved the white flag.
 
Callatoroy said:
Then they would have fucked up. You can't compare the two issues. We have been trying to get mexico to step up their fight with the cartels since the late 70s. The US is actively pursuing legislation to increase inspections at the border to catch the gun runners because the guns help fuel the cartels ability for violence and in the end helps drive more drugs northward. A big difference between biden and trump is trump will actually do something rather than making a quarterly statement that mexico needs to stop the flow of fentanyl and then crickets for several months. You might not like what he is going to do and I get that but he is going to act. And in this case I'm all for it. I don't care if mexico gets pissed. They have had 50 years to deal with the cartels and have waved the white flag.
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Gotcha...rules for thee but not for me. Apparently we just get to run rough shod over the planet and do as we please in your viewpoint.

And I absolutely guarantee that whatever Trump does will not positively impact the drug trade because demand always finds supply.
 
Patb78 said:
And how do you think carrying out military operations in Mexico is going to help? As to my comparison to Gaza, it’s a great comparison. These people will melt into the communities they oppress. There’s no doubt there are a few hard targets that can be hit, but that will not stop the drug traffic. Once again, we will be attacking an ally (for now) and will end up killing huge numbers of innocent people if Trump follows thru with this policy. Also, you did not answer my question. How would you feel if Mexico attacked our sovereign soul with drone strikes?
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I don't have to feel anything about it because it won't ever happen. You are hung up on the premise that fair matters. Fuck fair. We have begged and pleaded for mexico to stop the fentanyl but they either can't or won't. In either case the result is the same. So if they can't or won't then we can either accept 70,000 deaths a year, which could be someone in your family, or we can do something about it. After 4 years of jill doing nothing but giving lip service trump campaigned on doing something and he is going to do something. You can sit on your false moral high ground and publicly trash him for not following "normal" protocol while secretly thanking him after the flow gets cut and cartels are cripled by dead cartel heads. And we aren't attacking an ally. We are attacking a terrorist organization that is killing Americans. You don't have a problem with dropping a drone strike on an isis leader or hamas leader. No difference. Protecting Americans from fentanyl is no different than protecting Americans from suicide bombers in a mall.
 
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