Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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Ramrouser said:
Right on cue Kathy Hochul holds an impromptu press conference to proclaim that NYers will fight the "King" just like they did against King George III. I only wish Schumer would have been available to help with the visuals. Dems really need to stop taking Trump's bait. It's too easy. Trump's got you defending social secuirty/medicare/medicaid fraud, foreign aid for transgender drag shows and federal employees whining about returning to work after 4+ years.

Plus, you require her to defend the congestion tax which cost ordinary NYers $500 per month.
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Ordinary NYers take the train, dipshit.
 
“They really believe we’re that stupid.”

Well, they are used to gullible MAGA believing their bullshit, so they just assume everybody is that stupid.
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
How many cartel members would have to die in Mexico before the flow of fentanyl would be significantly stanched? How many dead Mexican citizens would be acceptable to Mexico with ZERO blowback to America? How much would Americans be willing to spend on this "drug war"? How many American soldiers could be lost before political blowback? What's the endgame of such a military strikes and how would you know if they were successful? What if they were not successful? Is there an option B or C? If 50% of the cartel "jungle" is obliterated does that legitimately stop the flow, limit it by some percentage? Or just allow for the movement of the drug making process to some other part of Mexico. How many US soldiers would need to stay in Mexico to make sure the "operation" was completed? For how long? At what risk to American soldiers and Mexican citizens and long term regional stability? Could folks not just hop down to Guatemala and continue the operation? How does the Mexican government feel about trade agreements with the US as long as US soldiers are occupying Mexican soil? So many questions. Callatoroy, do you have any answers to these questions?
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Why go after Al Qaida or isis? Way more of them than 10 drug cartels. Certainly killing 1 just breeds 10 more right? Quit thinking of fentanyl as a drug and start thinking of it in terms of terrorism because that is what it is? This isn’t cocaine or meth.
 
finesse said:
Most fentanyl is brought in by Americans and not the cartels themselves. Prohibition of drugs, including alcohol, has always turned into a fiasco that led to a huge growth in the numbers and wealth of the illicit providers. The best way to deal with the drug problems are education and rehabilitation. That doesn't mean "Just say no." That's just saying that you're stupid. It means a clear look at the dangers and how and what to avoid.

As a means to pay for this and to mitigate the single thing that makes drugs the most dangerous, we need to legalize and tax them. The biggest killer is not knowing the dosage or the purity of the drugs you get on the street. Being available in known qualities and quantities would probably cut overdoses by 90% or more. And no one would be getting addicted because they got something they didn't want.
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Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
 
Callatoroy said:
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
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12 steps brother 12 steps. I know you can do it!
 
I went to a high school football game in a very red area of NC

The amount of weed in the air was wild. Don't talk like it's a blue city thing. And weed is fine
 
Callatoroy said:
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
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Oh fuck off. My wife is a psychiatrist who does medication assisted therapy for addicts. She knows all about people who take fentanyl laced pills. Almost nobody who dies does so unknowingly. They might not know which of the drugs they take has the lethal dose, but they all know it's coming eventually. They can't stop. It's a disease.

Blaming the opioid crisis on "the left" is so fucking dishonest and disrespectful to the victims as to make me sick. By FAR the steepest increase was during Trump's first term, but the problem goes way back to W's administration and even further back to Purdue Pharma. I first read about "hillbilly heroin" in the early 2000s. Opioid use is not the fault of the left or the right. It's a complex social phenomenon with a multiplicity of causes.

There are no cities other than Portland where drugs are "essentially legalized." And it's not true of Portland any more. As I've said before, a major difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals learn from their mistakes and conservatives try to deny reality to avoid admitting they made one.
 
Callatoroy said:
Guessing you are unaware of people who die because they were unaware the drug they ingested was laced with fentanyl
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You completely ignored the progression of the very conversation you were having.

The post you responded to said that education and legalization of most illicit drugs would be a better way to address fentanyl.

Your response was to take a shot at liberal cities and state that most people don't know they are taking fentanyl.

That was the point in the legalization comment. If the other illicit drugs that you seem to be "ok" with were legal and well regulated, practically nobody would be taking fentanyl and certainly almost nobody would be getting it unknowingly.
 
Callatoroy said:
Guessing you are unaware of people who die because they were unaware the drug they ingested was laced with fentanyl
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That’s my point. People dying from fentanyl are buying illegal drugs, whether it’s cocaine or Vicodin or whatever. If the fentanyl didn’t kill them and they got caught they would be arrested. If you want to stop fentanyl deaths make the drugs they are buying legallly available, and they could get the real thing from a pharmacy with quality control, honest dosages. Don’t bomb the cartels, just put them out of business by making their goods available legally in the US
 
Callatoroy said:
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.


Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
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You're the one thinking in the wrong terms. One of the points in what I said is that legalization and access will prevent people from taking that, or anything else, without knowing what and how much of anything they got. Raiding Mexico will not even dent the fentanyl trade. American citizens will still be smuggling it in.
 
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