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There are 2.9 cases of TB for every 100,000 Americans. The two highest incidence states? Noted migrant worker havens Alaska and Hawaii. Also our Pacific holdings have astronomically higher incidence rates. Meanwhile, Puerto Rico clocks in at 0.7 per 100K.
 
So...DOGE is so ineffective at evaluating, that they are asking Federal workers to Grade Their Own Papers!!

If there were only an office that evaluated efficiency, waste, fraud, abuse in each area of government: an Inspector General.
 
So, if the premise is that the entrenched "deep state" is to blame for egg prices being high, then why fire the probationary workers and/or cuts without merit evaluations?!

It seems like that is the laziest and an incredibly stupid means of solving the problem. Incredibly inefficient. Wasteful. And fraudulent since Musk is charging the Taxpayer $40M+, generating almost no "savings," and putting America at risk for pandemics, terrorist attacks, inflation, job insecurity, and economic destabilization...while raking in excess of $1B in government dole contracts since Jan 20!

It is therefore clear that DOGE, Musk, and the Incel wankers are the Poster Children for committing Waste, Fraud, and Abuse within the US Government.
 
Elon now wants to decommission the International Space Station. I think that should have happened a decade ago to that white elephant. I would have put that savings into other space exploration programs and Trump is going to put it into wasted border security, but at least its coming out of the ISS budget instead of something more important.

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Elon Musk calls for deorbiting of the ISS. Here's what the space station does

Elon Musk recently called for the ISS to be deorbited "as soon as possible." Experts say the station provides vital research, technological development and education
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gtyellowjacket said:
Elon now wants to decommission the International Space Station. I think that should have happened a decade ago to that white elephant. I would have put that savings into other space exploration programs and Trump is going to put it into wasted border security, but at least its coming out of the ISS budget instead of something more important.

abcnews.go.com

Elon Musk calls for deorbiting of the ISS. Here's what the space station does

Elon Musk recently called for the ISS to be deorbited "as soon as possible." Experts say the station provides vital research, technological development and education
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Elon wants this solely to accelerate his dream of going to Mars.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think its a terrible idea to head to mars instead of spending that money on ISS. We've gotten good science out of ISS, but I don't think we are getting much new research.
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I honestly have no idea because I don't follow space news very closely but what's the basis for your assertion we're not getting much new research from the ISS? Is that grounded in something or just a hunch?
 
lawtig02 said:
I honestly have no idea because I don't follow space news very closely but what's the basis for your assertion we're not getting much new research from the ISS? Is that grounded in something or just a hunch?
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You can really answer it in a couple different ways. We are still getting some research out of ISS. It's still being published in peer-reviewed journals and researchers are citing it. We aren't getting as much new research as we were two decades ago when it first launched and that's to be expected. Most of the best science was prioritized and done first.

The better way to answer your question is what science could we be doing with the ISS budget and then compare that science to ISS science. The total cost for the Mars Pathfinder mission was a little less than $300 million. That was spread over several years but if you just look at the $3 billion per year cost of ISS, the pathfinder mission cost 1/10th as much and there's a pretty good argument to make that the science from Pathfinder is a lot more novel and exciting. We are landing on Jupiter's moons for less than half of the cost of one year of ISS operation.

At this point, ISS is fantastic for jobs at nasa and various government contractors that keep it in orbit. It puts about a dozen people in space per year. It has done some terrific science on the effects of microgravity on the human body and how to counteract it as well as pretty good research on how to keep people alive for years in space. All that is important science and makes a Mars mission much more realistic, but now it's probably time to rededicate those resources away from ISS.
 
You know that at some point a working space station is going to be essential in any sort of regular space travel. Launching out of a gravity well like earth is terribly inefficient. If we're learning how to do that, then we're gaining more than rushing to Mars. Both getting to Mars and any future mining of the asteroid belt will all be easier starting form space.
 
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