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“… But now the delivery of therapeutic food assistance to nearly 400,000 severely malnourished children abroad is in doubt due to ongoing firings at USAID, two manufacturers of this product told me in interviews. The raw materials needed to make the product are sitting in warehouses, but the manufacturers say they’re uncertain whether to proceed, because they don’t know if the U.S. government still wants to buy the product—and they can’t be certain it will be shipped.

The product in question is called Ready to Use Therapeutic Food (RUTF), a sterile, bureaucratic name that masks the horrific nature of its life-saving function. It is a sweet paste largely made of peanuts, milk, and vitamins. It’s designed for safe ingestion by young children inflicted with what’s known as “severe wasting,” meaning they’re suffering extreme, acute malnutrition or hovering on the edge of starving to death. It’s packaged in foil packets that don’t need refrigeration, making it suitable for delivery to areas inflicted by extreme deprivation.

“It’s the only treatment that can cure a severely malnourished child,” says Navyn Salem, the founder and CEO of Edesia Nutrition, which manufactures the product in Rhode Island. …”

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Back on the old IC ZZLP I had encouraged folks to donate to a UNICEF program to provide RUTF to prevent famine from becoming starvation — the stuff has been miraculous at keeping kids in horrific food shortages alive and at least subsisting (rather than literally starving to death).
 


“… But now the delivery of therapeutic food assistance to nearly 400,000 severely malnourished children abroad is in doubt due to ongoing firings at USAID, two manufacturers of this product told me in interviews. The raw materials needed to make the product are sitting in warehouses, but the manufacturers say they’re uncertain whether to proceed, because they don’t know if the U.S. government still wants to buy the product—and they can’t be certain it will be shipped.

The product in question is called Ready to Use Therapeutic Food (RUTF), a sterile, bureaucratic name that masks the horrific nature of its life-saving function. It is a sweet paste largely made of peanuts, milk, and vitamins. It’s designed for safe ingestion by young children inflicted with what’s known as “severe wasting,” meaning they’re suffering extreme, acute malnutrition or hovering on the edge of starving to death. It’s packaged in foil packets that don’t need refrigeration, making it suitable for delivery to areas inflicted by extreme deprivation.

“It’s the only treatment that can cure a severely malnourished child,” says Navyn Salem, the founder and CEO of Edesia Nutrition, which manufactures the product in Rhode Island. …”

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Back on the old IC ZZLP I had encouraged folks to donate to a UNICEF program to provide RUTF to prevent famine from becoming starvation — the stuff has been miraculous at keeping kids in horrific food shortages alive and at least subsisting (rather than literally starving to death).

“… As it happens, enormous amounts of this life saving paste are manufactured in two American factories: in addition to the Edesia facility in Rhode Island, another organization called Mana pumps out the product in Georgia. USAID has been contracting with the two operations—both nonprofits—to send it to the world’s starving children, mostly in Africa, for over 15 years. Both have current contracts with USAID, signed during the last administration, to treat a total of 1.2 million children for seven weeks between the two companies, which would mean full rehabilitation from severe malnutrition for those children.

But the latest round of cutbacks at USAID has left these operations flummoxed and frustrated. As part of its current contract, Edesia has enough raw ingredients left in its warehouses to manufacture the paste for 160,000 children, Salem says. The company hasn’t decided whether to complete it, because the removals at USAID have put on paid leave the employees who oversee her contracts, Salem notes, and she can’t get clarity from USAID about whether the food will be either paid for or shipped.

… Meanwhile, the Georgia-based nonprofit Mana Nutrition, has enough ingredients to manufacture the product for around 200,000 badly malnourished children, according to its co-founder and CEO, Mark Moore. He cannot figure out who at USAID is now overseeing or processing the contract, or get confirmation that USAID wants it completed.

…This was supposed to be sorted out by now. Earlier this month, when firings first started to hit USAID, both companies were initially given stop-work orders, but then the administration lifted them. With Secretary of State Marco Rubio promising not to hamper the most desperately needed aid, it appeared that the paste would keep being shipped.

This week, however, both companies have discovered that this promise is in question. The firings have largely led to USAID’s system for paying contractors to break down, and have emptied the agency of people who had overseen the contracts, with no indication of who’s supposed to be replacing them, the two CEOs said. …”
 
There are assumptions that the changes, "destruction" as you call it, have done or are doing damage. I haven't seen any negative results, so far.

Just lots of setting of hair on fire.
It’s really funny (pitiable) to see educated adults valorize chaotic and incompetent destruction, simply bc they hero worship grifting, drug addled, antisocial billionaires.
 

“The AI system will determine whether someone’s work is mission-critical or not”
This should probably be self-evident but there might be some people confused by this.

There is no AI system.
 
It’s asinine to do a performance review based on less than 2% of the year. Is your job so mundane that your workload is steady state throughout the year?
If you can't describe the work you do, in 5 bullets, after two months of work, that would seem to be a problem. Nevermind, that few are literally in their first 2 months of work.
 
It really is funny to see adults, employed by the Federal Government of the United States, get so upset over being asked essentially that: "What would you say you do here?".

Anyone who is a)engaged with the details of their role and b) actually executing the responsibilities of their role should be able to respond in minutes.

BTW, the role/performance of any employed person, whether they know it or not, is likely being assessed on a daily basis.
1. Your last point undermines everything else.
2. The email asked for "accomplishments." How the fuck would a physician answer that question? My wife saw 84 patients last week. Is that 84 accomplishments? 1 accomplishment? No accomplishments because she's providing ongoing care.
3. To echo nycfan's point, how should, say, a VA doctor feel about this request? Or a DOJ attorney? My thought process would go something like this:

My suitability for federal employment is being determined by someone who either has no idea what I do, or doesn't care in the slightest. He expects me to want to save my job by answering an email that is nonsensical as applied to me. I don't "accomplish things." Last week I read 10,000 pages of testimony, 9 expert reports, and had plea discussions with three defendants, none of which went anywhere. That is my job. [Or fill in if you would like: Last week, I treated 84 patients]. And sometimes that job requires me to go with "anti-accomplishments" -- i.e. when I review the evidence of a case, I realize that we are unlikely to convict so we won't bring charges. Is that an accomplishment? It's what the law requires me to do. If Elon Musk wants to understand my job, there are many, many good ways for him to do that; asking me periodically for a bullshit list isn't that.

I am an educated career professional with an exemplary track record. I don't answer to Elon Musk and I shouldn't have to justify myself to him. This harassment isn't going to stop. I know what happened at twitter. I don't want to work in a place where they draw straws every day and fire whoever gets the short one. I like my coworkers. I don't want to see them fired because Elon Musk doesn't understand what they do. I don't want to work at a place where people are fighting with each other to get the "accomplishment" tasks so they have something to point to. Fuck this.
 
Very few are upset about the underlying question, which is one they have to answer within their department. With millions of employees, the federal government is certain to have its share of slackers who may resent any additional efforts, sure, but all large employers have those (and most small employers do too). What people are angry about is that most of them have very well defined job descriptions, so this is not about "what do you do here" -- that is prescribed and documented. They mostly also already have to do departmental self-evaluations and get supervisors to provide performance reviews that are in their records.

The five bullet point demand would be lazy circumvention of the existing and available records if that is what Musk is up to. But it is not. He is creating some sort of ad hoc response system, with zero meaningful instruction, that he now claims will be fed to an AI to determine who is worthy of continuing work and who should be fired. Based on five bullet points about a 4-day work week. Musk doesn't actually run DOGE, per DOJ repeated filings and statements in court, so it is not clear how Musk has any authority to make any such demands of anyone who works for the Federal Government.

The process is asinine harassment as a PR stunt and to undermine the morale of federal workers generally. People who support DOGE keep using the "what would you say your do here" consultants from Office Space as a hilarious joke to support DOGE, and that is somewhat accurate but not at all positive for DOGE since those consultants were soulless outsiders brought in to slim down the ranks, not brilliant good guys defending the company's righteous efficiency.
This is an excellent post. Thank you for writing this.

Those who insist writing these bullet points are missing the forest for the trees. Why are already in place evaluations being ignored? Why are trained evaluators being leapfrogged by those who have no training in these areas?

For one, it undermines the importance of the work these people are doing. Secondly, it overvalues the expertise of Elon, his cronies, his AI, etc.

It is belittling to have someone with absolutely no training in your field demand of you to justify your work, especially when there are evaluative methods already in place. And that is part of the point, IMO, to belittle these people and to show their insignificance and that Elon and his cronies are brilliant enough to evaluate the abilities of everyone else. It is an egotistic power trip of one group blatantly trying to flaunt a superiority they do not have. It is one group expressly trying to demean another group. But hey, that's the GOP, I guess.

My wife and I have two good friends who are nurses at the VA. These are two wonderful nurses, highly trained (they both have Masters Degrees). So Elon and his cronies and/or his AI can evaluate the specialized care they give to veterans? Of course they can't, yet that is what is going on here. (And yes, both of these nurses received the email.)

Further, people acting like this is no big deal miss how this is only one step. It is not like Elon is going to stop at this intrusion. Give him an inch and he will take the country.
 

Federal technology staffers resign rather than help Musk and DOGE​



"More than 20 civil service employees resigned Tuesday from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”

We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.

The employees also warned that many of those enlisted by Musk to help him slash the size of the federal government under President Donald Trump’s administration were political ideologues who did not have the necessary skills or experience for the task ahead of them.

The mass resignation of engineers, data scientists and product managers is a temporary setback for Musk and the Republican president’s tech-driven purge of the federal workforce. It comes amid a flurry of court challenges that have sought to stall, stop or unwind their efforts to fire or coerce thousands of government workers out of jobs. ...

...“Anyone who thinks protests, lawsuits, and lawfare will deter President Trump must have been sleeping under a rock for the past several years,” Leavitt said. “President Trump will not be deterred from delivering on the promises he made to make our federal government more efficient and more accountable to the hardworking American taxpayers.”

The staffers who resigned worked for what was once known as the United States Digital Service, an office established during President Barack Obama’s administration after the botched rollout of Healthcare.gov, the web portal that millions of Americans use to sign up for insurance plans through the Democrat’s signature health care law.

All had previously held senior roles at such tech companies as Google and Amazon and wrote in their resignation letter that they joined the government out of a sense of duty to public service.

...According to the staffers, people wearing White House visitors’ badges, some of whom would not give their names, grilled the nonpartisan employees about their qualifications and politics. Some made statements that indicated they had a limited technical understanding. Many were young and seemed guided by ideology and fandom of Musk — not improving government technology.

Several of these interviewers refused to identify themselves, asked questions about political loyalty, attempted to pit colleagues against each other, and demonstrated limited technical ability,” the staffers wrote in their letter. “This process created significant security risks.”

...Earlier this month, about 40 staffers in the office were laid off. The firings dealt a devastating blow to the government’s ability to administer and safeguard its own technological footprint, they wrote.

These highly skilled civil servants were working to modernize Social Security, veterans’ services, tax filing, health care, disaster relief, student aid, and other critical services,” the resignation letter states. “Their removal endangers millions of Americans who rely on these services every day. The sudden loss of their technology expertise makes critical systems and American’s data less safe.

Those who remained, about 65 staffers, were integrated into DOGE’s government-slashing effort. About a third of them quit Tuesday.

We will not use our skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize Americans’ sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services,” they wrote. “We will not lend our expertise to carry out or legitimize DOGE’s actions. ..."
 
If you can't describe the work you do, in 5 bullets, after two months of work, that would seem to be a problem. Nevermind, that few are literally in their first 2 months of work.
Are you saying it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done within the past week in 5 bullet points, or that it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done over the course of two months? (Never mind that the email asked for “accomplishments” within a week, whatever that means.)

I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc.

Then you have people whose jobs require them to do the same thing over and over again. And their jobs are important because they serve as one the crucial pieces to making the whole thing run smoothly and efficiently. But when you do the same thing over and over again, how do you break it down into five separate bullet points? At my office, we have a receptionist. She answers the phone and either transfers calls or takes messages, and she greets people who come into our office and contacts the person they are coming to see. Other than making a list of the calls she takes and people she greets, I’m not exactly sure how she would break down the bullet points. But her job is integral to the efficiency of our office.
 

Federal technology staffers resign rather than help Musk and DOGE​



"More than 20 civil service employees resigned Tuesday from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”

We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.

The employees also warned that many of those enlisted by Musk to help him slash the size of the federal government under President Donald Trump’s administration were political ideologues who did not have the necessary skills or experience for the task ahead of them.

The mass resignation of engineers, data scientists and product managers is a temporary setback for Musk and the Republican president’s tech-driven purge of the federal workforce. It comes amid a flurry of court challenges that have sought to stall, stop or unwind their efforts to fire or coerce thousands of government workers out of jobs. ...

...“Anyone who thinks protests, lawsuits, and lawfare will deter President Trump must have been sleeping under a rock for the past several years,” Leavitt said. “President Trump will not be deterred from delivering on the promises he made to make our federal government more efficient and more accountable to the hardworking American taxpayers.”

The staffers who resigned worked for what was once known as the United States Digital Service, an office established during President Barack Obama’s administration after the botched rollout of Healthcare.gov, the web portal that millions of Americans use to sign up for insurance plans through the Democrat’s signature health care law.

All had previously held senior roles at such tech companies as Google and Amazon and wrote in their resignation letter that they joined the government out of a sense of duty to public service.

...According to the staffers, people wearing White House visitors’ badges, some of whom would not give their names, grilled the nonpartisan employees about their qualifications and politics. Some made statements that indicated they had a limited technical understanding. Many were young and seemed guided by ideology and fandom of Musk — not improving government technology.

Several of these interviewers refused to identify themselves, asked questions about political loyalty, attempted to pit colleagues against each other, and demonstrated limited technical ability,” the staffers wrote in their letter. “This process created significant security risks.”

...Earlier this month, about 40 staffers in the office were laid off. The firings dealt a devastating blow to the government’s ability to administer and safeguard its own technological footprint, they wrote.

These highly skilled civil servants were working to modernize Social Security, veterans’ services, tax filing, health care, disaster relief, student aid, and other critical services,” the resignation letter states. “Their removal endangers millions of Americans who rely on these services every day. The sudden loss of their technology expertise makes critical systems and American’s data less safe.

Those who remained, about 65 staffers, were integrated into DOGE’s government-slashing effort. About a third of them quit Tuesday.

We will not use our skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize Americans’ sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services,” they wrote. “We will not lend our expertise to carry out or legitimize DOGE’s actions. ..."
I understand why these 21 senior staffers resigned.

Musk, the techbroligarchs, Vought, the Freedom Caucus, etc. probably sees their resignations as a plus.
 
Are you saying it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done within the past week in 5 bullet points, or that it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done over the course of two months? (Never mind that the email asked for “accomplishments” within a week, whatever that means.)

I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc.

Then you have people whose jobs require them to do the same thing over and over again. And their jobs are important because they serve as one the crucial pieces to making the whole thing run smoothly and efficiently. But when you do the same thing over and over again, how do you break it down into five separate bullet points? At my office, we have a receptionist. She answers the phone and either transfers calls or takes messages, and she greets people who come into our office and contacts the person they are coming to see. Other than making a list of the calls she takes and people she greets, I’m not exactly sure how she would break down the bullet points. But her job is integral to the efficiency of our office.
"I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc."

There you go. Four of the five bullets are done just that fast.
 
That does seem to be the end goal. Just gut the government like Elon did to Twitter and force the few remaining employees to work like dogs trying to do the work that originally was done by three or four times as many people. And it won't work, because the federal government isn't like Twitter (or any corporation, really), but they seem hellbent on trying.
The chaos is intentional.
 
"I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc."

There you go. Four of the five bullets are done just that fast.
Explain five ways you bring value to this board. Failure to do so will result in you getting banned.

What's that you say? I'm not your boss? I'm also the guy who's going to determine whether or not it's a thing of value? I could choose to ban you even though you do as I say? I'm just friends with Rock and shouldn't have this kind of authority?

Sounds like a shitty system.
 
If you can't describe the work you do, in 5 bullets, after two months of work, that would seem to be a problem. Nevermind, that few are literally in their first 2 months of work.
I get the Tangle email now and it happened to be on this very subject today. I can't link an email, so I am going to copy and paste what I thought was a very good response:



"Most days, I can see the merit in arguments from across the political spectrum. After all, the issues we cover are usually divisive and rife with nuance, historical debate, and ideological differences. But every once in a while, I’m left surprised by how silly our politics are — like when an idea as unhelpful and counterproductive as this email becomes at all controversial.

Let me start here: No self-respecting person would take an email (preceded by an explicit threat of losing their job) demanding they list five things they did in the last week as a fair way to be treated. Every single person reading this would be somewhere between annoyed and enraged — and rightfully so. Imagine your reaction to getting this on a Saturday night, with a 48-hour deadline to answer, and at the behest of a person you’d never met, don’t work for, and who was gleefully mocking you on social media while issuing it.

Of course, nothing illustrates the self-defeating and inefficient nature of this directive more than Trump’s own agency heads instructing their employees to ignore the email. Kash Patel, the newly appointed head of the FBI, told employees not to respond to it, saying “The FBI, through the Office of the Director, is in charge of all of our review processes, and will conduct reviews in accordance with FBI procedures.”

Which, you know… obviously.

It should not be surprising that agency heads are drawing a line with Musk here. Employee evaluations and firing decisions should not be made by a group of government neophytes (DOGE) scouring two to three million emails then using artificial intelligence to try to understand an agency they’ve never stepped foot inside.

Musk’s supporters responded to the indignation from employees by saying that this happens in the private industry, and government workers should get fired if they can’t play ball. This, too, is preposterous. I’ve never heard of a boss (aside from Musk) giving all their employees a shot clock to detail five things they’d done in the last week (regardless of whether they are on assignment or leave) under threat of termination. At minimum they would torch their reputation in whatever industry they worked in, and at worst be staring down a lawsuit and the end of their own career.

More personally, I’m the founder and CEO of a media business — I would never treat my employees like this, because on top of being an inefficient waste of their time, it’s also incredibly disrespectful and cruel. It would make me a crappy boss, make Tangle a crappy organization to work for, and our product would suffer for it."
 
Explain five ways you bring value to this board. Failure to do so will result in you getting banned.

What's that you say? I'm not your boss? I'm also the guy who's going to determine whether or not it's a thing of value? I could choose to ban you even though you do as I say? I'm just friends with Rock and shouldn't have this kind of authority?

Sounds like a shitty system.
Rock, as the person in charge, could give you precisely the authority you just described, could he not?
 
Cont'd

"Some pundits on the left have tried to attack Musk by valorizing federal workers, like Just Security’s Nicholas Bednar (under “What the left is saying”), who argued, “Five bullet points describing one work week—a week that included a federal holiday—cannot capture the importance of the work performed by most federal employees.” This is an unnecessary claim, and probably untrue of many federal employees. The point isn’t that most federal workers’ jobs are so important and complex they can’t summarize their week in five bullet points — the point is that it’s ridiculous to demand millions of people to respond to a faceless email account to keep their jobs, while the person behind the plan bangs on across social media about what horrible, lazy, inefficient people they are.

Interestingly, liberals and anti-Trumpers aren’t the only ones making these arguments now; some conservatives have started standing up for the federal workforce. Chuck Ross, a pro-Trump columnist and writer, made the same points I did about how no self-respecting person would respond to this request. Conservative pundit Rick Moran argued “neither Musk nor Trump has the authority to request such a list or make continued employment in the federal government contingent on replying.” And David Marcus, one of the most reliably pro-Trump voices at Fox News, wrote that federal workers aren’t “billionaires or grifters,” adding that “the federal government’s problem is not allegedly lazy, middle class government employees, it’s corrupt wealthy politicians and their donors.”

Now those are some good arguments.

Musk, naturally, has begun to change his explanation for this exercise. It’s no longer about only keeping the most important employees or figuring out what federal employees are actually up to, but now purportedly a plot to discover federal workers who don’t exist. “Non-existent people or the identities of dead people are being used to collect paychecks,” Musk posted. “In other words, there is outright fraud.”

Even if this underlying premise were true, why send an email to two million people to figure it out? I presume there are much better, more efficient ways to figure out which federal employees are dead and still getting paid or, alternatively, entirely made up people. More importantly, I don’t think the premise is true. Some examples exist of the government wasting millions of dollars on “ghost” employees — like police and military in Afghanistan — but we already have oversight to catch that sort of thing. I suspect Musk’s assertion will go the same way as the claim that “billions of dollars” are being sent to 150-year-old people on Social Security, which Trump’s own Social Security Administrator recently clarified was wrong (though Trump continues to repeat it).

All of this leaves me dumbfounded. Musk is not an idiot. He’s not incompetent. Anyone pretending so is deluding themselves. So what’s he up to? My best guess is he is trying to force more people out — or look for an excuse for mass layoffs — since fewer employees took the “fork in the road” buyout offer than he apparently expected. As I said last week, Musk stands to benefit personally in a dozen different ways from a beleaguered, downsized federal workforce, which has always been what DOGE is really about.

He is too competent to truly believe he’s making the government more efficient right now. The Wall Street Journal officially estimated that DOGE will save the government roughly $2.6 billion over the next year; what are the odds that after all the future settlements, the rehiring of workers, the increased cost of hiring workers who feel these jobs are not secure and the eight months of severance we’re paying to 75,000 people who took the buyout offer, that this all ends up costing us money?

I honestly don’t know how long all of this will go on. Republicans in Congress are privately starting to worry, and who can blame them? ABC estimates these layoffs are impacting some 200,000 people. I suspect that means tens of millions of Americans now know someone who has lost their job due to these cuts. Some of them will have their lives ruined — they’ll lose homes, or get divorced, or have to scramble to find health insurance for their sick spouse. I know of one woman who was five months pregnant, working in the National Parks, and had to leave her temporary housing (provided by her job) to go apartment hunting — now unemployed in a rural area with limited opportunities and sparse housing. She was fired without cause or explanation as part of the DOGE cuts.

People are going to be pissed. Social media is replete with Trump voters asking why they or their family members lost their jobs. And those people are going to start demanding more responsibility from Congress. Eventually, Republicans and Democrats will have to do their jobs and control how these agencies are being run, how this money is being spent, and who gets to keep their jobs."
 
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