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rodoheel said:
Imagine someone saying with a straight face that they're "aspirationally Jewish" and "Jewish by association" in response to claims of antisemitism, lol. Next-level version of "lots of my friends are black!"
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The only thing worse is Shapiro giving him a platform.

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Fwiw, I'm sure that the Klan has diminished a great deal but the same sort of people with different names for their groups are still with us. A lot of those guys and the kids that went to the Christian academies they founded are still with us. I might misremember but I don't think they were big on inclusion. I think we're going to see some of the veils slipping off that group's racism.
 
ChileG said:
The lie that MAGAs were really just concerned with illegal immigration has been exposed.
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This type of thing is what leads me to think Dems need to come out strongly supporting overhauls to our legal immigration system, advocating to make it much easier to legally immigrate to the US for the people who do it "the right way."
 
lawtig02 said:
Another quote from the Reagan-appointed judge, which echoes thoughts I've had about almost every GOP-led legal action over the last few years --

“Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional.

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This goes to a point super has made many times. The courts and the bars are absolutely TERRIBLE at enforcing the rules of professional conduct for lawyers. You basically have to be taking dollar bills from your trust account and using them at strip clubs to get disciplined these days. When attorneys can solicit and advise fraudulent electors in an attempt to make the loser of the presidential election the leader of the free world, and the bar has nothing to say about it, why have rules at all?

Of course, "Why Have Rules at All?" is probably a good motto for the federal government over the next four years.
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I don't disagree with the larger point, but at least Sidney Powell and Rudy G got disbarred, lol
 
ZenMode said:
I might if the last line was "Meet at the unattended backpack on the corner".
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Yeah, I'm sure.

Let me ask you something that I've been wondering for a while. I'd ask @gtyellowjacket , too, because it applies to him as well (actually significantly more so) but I think he may have pulled the ultimate puss move and put me on ignore. And this is truly a sincere question, even if it may read like it is intended as snark (I promise it's not). My question is: what do you get out of purposefully going out of your way in taking the most absurd, outlandish stances on literally everything that you just absolutely know is going to agitate and aggravate others? Is that fun? Like, it kind of seems like yours and gt's whole purpose here is to recreationally irritate instead of add to the discourse. A great example yesterday would be your stance that Jesus Christ wasn't an activist. Today, it's that a KKK flyer is funny. I can't even decide whether it's intended to be purposefully irritating or if it's just some weird schtick, is all. It's not that it's just disagreement or a different viewpoint or perspective- it's that every single stance you take seems intentionally designed to annoy other people. The "was Jesus an activist" thing was just eye roll-inducing; the stance that a KKK poster is funny is....entirely different. It's not a stance that normal folks would take, is what I'm getting at.
 
ZenMode said:
He doesn't really strike me as the neo Nazi type.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'
“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

Elon Musk said he is "Jewish by association" during a conversation with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro after a visit to the former Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz, Poland.

Musk, the Tesla CEO and owner of social media platform X, made the comments during a conference on antisemitism organized by the European Jewish Association. The association had arranged for Musk to make a private visit to Auschwitz, where an estimated 1.1 million Jewish people were killed during the Holocaust.

"I must admit to being somewhat frankly naive about this. In the circles that I move, I see almost no antisemitism. ... Two-thirds of my friends are Jewish," the billionaire tech mogul said in a video posted on YouTube by Bloomberg Technology. "I have twice as many Jewish friends as non-Jewish friends. I’m like Jewish by association."

The association organized the visit to address a worldwide surge of antisemitism after the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

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Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'

“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."
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He’s got his kid on his shoulders like it’s an amusement park.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yeah, I'm sure.

Let me ask you something that I've been wondering for a while. I'd ask @gtyellowjacket , too, because it applies to him as well (actually significantly more so) but I think he may have pulled the ultimate puss move and put me on ignore. And this is truly a sincere question, even if it may read like it is intended as snark (I promise it's not). My question is: what do you get out of purposefully going out of your way in taking the most absurd, outlandish stances on literally everything that you just absolutely know is going to agitate and aggravate others? Is that fun? Like, it kind of seems like yours and gt's whole purpose here is to recreationally irritate instead of add to the discourse. A great example yesterday would be your stance that Jesus Christ wasn't an activist. Today, it's that a KKK flyer is funny. I can't even decide whether it's intended to be purposefully irritating or if it's just some weird schtick, is all. It's not that it's just disagreement or a different viewpoint or perspective- it's that every single stance you take seems intentionally designed to annoy other people. The "was Jesus an activist" thing was just eye roll-inducing; the stance that a KKK poster is funny is....entirely different. It's not a stance that normal folks would take, is what I'm getting at.
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"purposefully going out of your way in taking the most absurd, outlandish stances on literally everything"

"It's not a stance that normal folks would take, is what I'm getting at."

I remember when I was in my Mega Republican phase, listening to Rush and Hannity in my car at lunch. I voted for every (R) I could find on the ballot. And I remember being absolutely convinced that liberals didn't actually believe the things they were claiming they believed. Their alleged positions on topics related to race or abortion or whatever were bad faith. They were just saying those things for political gain, not because they actually believed them. Then I started to reading and listening to some liberal writers/podcasters and I realized that they actually did believe what they were saying.

Outlandishness and especially "normal" are definitely a relative to a long list of factors. For example, way back in the day there were Camel cigarette commercials that featured doctors smoking in their office and Camel actually claimed to have polled doctors only to find out that Camel was the preferred cigarette of doctors. That was perfectly normal and acceptable at one point. It would be outlandish if not wholly unacceptable today, even if cigarette commercials were legal. A "normal" day for a poor, black kid in downtown Baltimore is much, much different than a "normal" day for my spoiled-ass kids! Of course, what's normal for either one is much different than what's normal for a young girl who lives In a fundamentalist Muslim country, right?

The humor in the KKK flyer is also relative to any number of factors. Some people take offense to comedians making off colored jokes about race, religion, women, etc. Others don't. Why? Who knows? Maybe a specific person has been victimized by racism or someone is highly involved in organizations that fight racism and are extra sensitive to the topic. Who knows what's bouncing around in the neurological wiring in any individual's brain.

The Jesus thing was more about the political claim than the activist, though something about "activist" doesn't feel right. I don't think expressing views in dramatic, public manner, i.e. flipping over tables automatically make someone an activist. I don't know where the line between teacher and activist is drawn, but I still don't like the label of activist.

Either way, I can tell you that we have different views and we have similar views, but I don't not believe the things I'm saying.
 
ZenMode said:
"purposefully going out of your way in taking the most absurd, outlandish stances on literally everything"

"It's not a stance that normal folks would take, is what I'm getting at."

I remember when I was in my Mega Republican phase, listening to Rush and Hannity in my car at lunch. I voted for every (R) I could find on the ballot. And I remember being absolutely convinced that liberals didn't actually believe the things they were claiming they believed. Their alleged positions on topics related to race or abortion or whatever were bad faith. They were just saying those things for political gain, not because they actually believed them. Then I started to reading and listening to some liberal writers/podcasters and I realized that they actually did believe what they were saying.

Outlandishness and especially "normal" are definitely a relative to a long list of factors. For example, way back in the day there were Camel cigarette commercials that featured doctors smoking in their office and Camel actually claimed to have polled doctors only to find out that Camel was the preferred cigarette of doctors. That was perfectly normal and acceptable at one point. It would be outlandish if not wholly unacceptable today, even if cigarette commercials were legal. A "normal" day for a poor, black kid in downtown Baltimore is much, much different than a "normal" day for my spoiled-ass kids! Of course, what's normal for either one is much different than what's normal for a young girl who lives In a fundamentalist Muslim country, right?

The humor in the KKK flyer is also relative to any number of factors. Some people take offense to comedians making off colored jokes about race, religion, women, etc. Others don't. Why? Who knows? Maybe a specific person has been victimized by racism or someone is highly involved in organizations that fight racism and are extra sensitive to the topic. Who knows what's bouncing around in the neurological wiring in any individual's brain.

The Jesus thing was more about the political claim than the activist, though something about "activist" doesn't feel right. I don't think expressing views in dramatic, public manner, i.e. flipping over tables automatically make someone an activist. I don't know where the line between teacher and activist is drawn, but I still don't like the label of activist.

Either way, I can tell you that we have different views and we have similar views, but I don't not believe the things I'm saying.
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Got it! Appreciate the thoughtful response. I was just sincerely curious so I appreciate your not taking offense and instead being willing to explain. I appreciate knowing that you don't not believe the things that you're saying. We may not agree on everything but you have my respect.
 
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