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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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Mulberry Heel said:
I'd love to as well, but that's not possible for everyone, or even a great majority of people. Depending on the surveys and studies I've read, at least 40% of retirees depend almost entirely on Social Security for their retirement income, and many more need it as a supplement to what other savings they do have. Abolishing, privatizing, or even just significantly cutting it will be a disaster of epic proportions, imo. Not that Trump or Elon or any of their other plutocrat buddies would care, of course.
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If they abolish SS, there will be a replacement plan to deal with the people who lived thinking it would be there and now border homelessness when they are no longer able to work.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
Typical shocking excerpted byline, but is there not truth to Elon’s framing of the problem?
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Why do you say that? There are plenty of violent people with permanent housing. There are plenty of drug addicts with permanent housing. There are plenty of severely mentally ill people with permanent housing. The through line for those we call “homeless” is the lack of permanent housing. There are also plenty of those people who are not drug addicts, violent, or severely mentally ill. So how is that characterization a “lie.”
 
lawtig02 said:
Why do you say that? There are plenty of violent people with permanent housing. There are plenty of drug addicts with permanent housing. There are plenty of severely mentally ill people with permanent housing. The through line for those we call “homeless” is the lack of permanent housing. There are also plenty of those people who are not drug addicts, violent, or severely mentally ill. So how is that characterization a “lie.”
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It’s not a lie, they are homeless, but if a significant amount of these people are this afflicted, focusing on the “homelessness”, as opposed to the root cause of that homelessness shifts the focus away from what *may* be a failure of policy/government.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
It’s not a lie, they are homeless, but if a significant amount of these people are this afflicted, focusing on the “homelessness”, as opposed to the root cause of that homelessness shifts the focus away from what *may* be a failure of policy/government.
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It’s not like government and nonprofits are ignoring the other problems. There’s a lot of work being done there, too. But the evidence is pretty overwhelming that absent permanent housing, there’s very little chance of getting people the help they need for the underlying problems.

I’m also not convinced Elon really wants to do anything to help the underlying problems. I suspect his goal is just to crack down on visible homelessness, not to help those who would be displaced find the help they need. Because doing that will require an ENORMOUS public investment, which doesn’t seem to be in DOGE’s sight line.
 
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lawtig02 said:
It’s not like government and nonprofits are ignoring the other problems. There’s a lot of work being done there, too. But the evidence is pretty overwhelmingly that absent permanent housing, there’s very little chance of getting people the help they need for the underlying problems.

I’m also not convinced Elon really wants to do anything to help the underlying problems. I suspect his goal is just to crack down on visible homelessness, not to help those who would be displaced find the help they need. Because doing that will require an ENORMOUS public investment, which doesn’t seem to be in DOGE’s sight line.
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This is the thing - Elon cares not at all about underlying pathologies, or helping the people afflicted. The cruelty is the point.
 
This seems to fit in this thread as an example of wasting taxpayer money as part of political games.



Biden admin quietly clears away border wall parts for auction ahead of Trump’s second term​


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Biden admin quietly clears away border wall parts for auction ahead of Trump’s second term

The materials were left unused following Biden’s decision to stop the wall’s construction and roll back Trump’s immigration policies upon taking office in 2021, resulting in a mas…
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ZenMode said:
This seems to fit in this thread as an example of wasting taxpayer money as part of political games.



Biden admin quietly clears away border wall parts for auction ahead of Trump’s second term​


nypost.com

Biden admin quietly clears away border wall parts for auction ahead of Trump’s second term

The materials were left unused following Biden’s decision to stop the wall’s construction and roll back Trump’s immigration policies upon taking office in 2021, resulting in a mas…
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Paxton says Texas is prepared to buy all the materials and donate it back to the Feds.
 
How much of this has been verified? If it has, and the sources seem awfully dubious, why are they selling? Certain materials have shelf lives and if they are being sold while they still have some value then it's not necessarily even sneaky or misguided.

Seems like the blame lies with Trump in ordering more than he could use during his administration to me.
 
finesse said:
How much of this has been verified? If it has, and the sources seem awfully dubious, why are they selling? Certain materials have shelf lives and if they are being sold while they still have some value then it's not necessarily even sneaky or misguided.

Seems like the blame lies with Trump in ordering more than he could use during his administration to me.
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It seems fairly legit. There are screenshots of from the auction site.

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ColdBlueSteel said:
Typical shocking excerpted byline, but is there not truth to Elon’s framing of the problem?
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From what I've read homelessness has shifted. Due to the housing market and other inflationary/cost of living issues more people are homeless simply because they don't make enough. So, no all are not drugged out mentally ill people.

And for those that fall into one of the categories of drug user or mentally ill person, are all of them "violent"? I wouldn't agree.

So no, I don't agree that there is truth in his hyperbole.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
It’s not a lie, they are homeless, but if a significant amount of these people are this afflicted, focusing on the “homelessness”, as opposed to the root cause of that homelessness shifts the focus away from what *may* be a failure of policy/government.
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Then focus on the higher percentage root causes and don't demonize homeless people as only being "violent druged out mentally ill" people.
 
finesse said:
Just remember that veterans are overrepresented in the homeless population. They're a little less than 10% of the population and a little over 12 % of the homeless. Musk can go fuck himself.
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But politicians love our military and our veterans.

It's so clear in how much lobbing is required for policy to support victims of burn pits and other exposures that create a high percentage of PTSD and other mental traumas in our military service men and women.

We as a country, owe them more.
 
ZenMode said:
This seems to fit in this thread as an example of wasting taxpayer money as part of political games.



Biden admin quietly clears away border wall parts for auction ahead of Trump’s second term​


nypost.com

Biden admin quietly clears away border wall parts for auction ahead of Trump’s second term

The materials were left unused following Biden’s decision to stop the wall’s construction and roll back Trump’s immigration policies upon taking office in 2021, resulting in a mas…
nypost.com nypost.com
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Are these the same people that claimed FEMA was taking supplies from people and arresting people for trying to help hurricane victims?
 
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