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wmheel1287 said:
I'll ask this again. Do you believe this debate about the "spirit" of the Amendment should happen with the entire Constitution?
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Of course and it's does. It has to. Obviously the founding fathers had no way to anticipate the existence of social media when drafting the First Amendment, right? I would say there's virtually no doubt that the spirit of free speech would undoubtedly include speech in digital format.

So, when the drafters of the 14th Amendment were imagining who would be given citizenship based on being born in the US, does it seem likely that they were talking about the children of people who were truly immigrating to the US or, in the unfortunate case of slaves, were forced here against their will?

Do we think that they were imagining a time when traveling halfway around the world would take a matter of hours and not months and travel would be so easy that people would be coming here at the 11th hour of their pregnancy, just to take advantage of our birthright citizenship policy, under the guise of "vacationing"?
 
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ZenMode said:
I don't think that the ability to charge somebody with a crime, when they are in your country, is the sole determiner of what is meant by jurisdiction.
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... That is literally the definition of jurisdiction. The ability to enact and enforce legal decisions.
 
StrangePackage said:
... That is literally the definition of jurisdiction. The ability to enact and enforce legal decisions.
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Right. I'm just saying that I don't think the ability to charge somebody with a crime is the only consideration in legal jurisdiction.
 
ZenMode said:
Right. I'm just saying that I don't think the ability to charge somebody with a crime is the only consideration in legal jurisdiction.
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Then tell us what you "think" is needed?

Because if the text reads "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof[.]" So why is criminal jurisdiction not sufficient? It's also clear that they're subject to civil jurisdiction as well ..
So is there some other kind of jurisdiction that we need to discuss?
 
StrangePackage said:
Then tell us what you "think" is needed?

Because if the text reads "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof[.]" So why is criminal jurisdiction not sufficient? It's also clear that they're subject to civil jurisdiction as well ..
So is there some other kind of jurisdiction that we need to discuss?
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I think the better question is whether or not simply being able to charge somebody with a crime is the basis for giving their kids citizenship. If I were to drive to Florida and get a speeding ticket, should I start being taxed based on Florida's personal income tax policy? Obviously not. That would be silly because it's clear that my ties to Arizona means that they have jurisdiction over any number of things, not just the ability to write me a speeding ticket.

As I mentioned here, it was a much different time back then. People were picking up their entire lives just to get to our shores to be handed citizenship. Of course it makes sense to give their kids citizenship. It also makes perfect sense to give the children of slaves, who were brought here against their will, citizenship in the US.

The people participating in birth tourism are not immigrating to the US, they are taking advantage of a loophole that doesn't seem to align with the original intention of the 14th Amendment.

EDIT: But what do I know? I'm just a troll who doesn't believe what he's saying, anyway. :rolleyes:
 
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nycfan said:
Trying to break up the first week firehose thread I to more focused topics as makes sense.

Lots of changes in how and what the DOJ will focus on is not uncommon when the executive branch changes parties, but the whiplash could be quite extreme here as Trump personal attorneys and an election denier AG are installed at the top.
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Gonna be impossible. I don't even know where to post things anymore. (This is not an indictment on you or the board) Trump is employing the weave into his policies and EO's. He is trying to make it impossible to focus on one particular thing. By the time one fire is ablaze and everyone is rushing to see it/put it out, he's started three more.
 
“The Trump administration launched an immigration enforcement blitz in Chicago on Sunday that includes several federal agencies which have been granted additional authorities to arrest undocumented immigrants in the US, according to multiple sources.

The blitz is part of a broader effort to add manpower to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which has limited resources and agents, as the administration tries to ramp up arrests nationwide and amass a larger force to carry out the president’s deportation pledge.

… In a statement, ICE confirmed the “enhanced targeted operations” in Chicago began Sunday.

“U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, along with federal partners, including the FBI, ATF, DEA, CBP and the U.S. Marshals Service, began conducting enhanced targeted operations today in Chicago to enforce U.S. immigration law and preserve public safety and national security by keeping potentially dangerous criminal aliens out of our communities,” the statement reads.

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Acting Deputy Attorney General Emil Bove is in Chicago Sunday to observe immigration enforcement operations.

“This morning, I had the privilege of observing brave men and women of the Department deploying in lockstep with DHS to address a national emergency arising from four years of failed immigration policy,” Bove said in a statement.

Previous administrations, including the Biden administration, also sought out public safety and national security threats when carrying out immigration enforcement operations. Homan has argued that guidelines under Biden set up hurdles for officers targeting criminals, while former Biden officials maintained those guidelines established a clear focus. …”
 
“… Homan told ABC News in an interview that aired on Sunday there’s “no number” of deportations needed to view Trump’s immigration agenda as successful, stating that “every public safety threat removed from this country is a success.”

“There’s no number on it. So my success is going to be based on what Congress gives us. More money, the better we’re going to do,” Homan said. …”

 

Colombia is blocking US military deportation flights, its president says​

“… Two US military flights bound for Colombia overnight were turned back, according to a flight tracker, after Petro wrote in a post on X that he was denying entry for the aircraft.

In another post, Petro left the door open to receiving migrant flights, but called on the US to use civilian planes and establish better protocols for their treatment of migrants.

While Colombia cannot allow migrants to remain in a country that does not want them, they must be sent back “with dignity and respect for them and for our country. We will receive our fellow citizens on civilian planes, without treating them like criminals,” the Colombian president wrote. …”

 
nycfan said:

Colombia is blocking US military deportation flights, its president says​

“… Two US military flights bound for Colombia overnight were turned back, according to a flight tracker, after Petro wrote in a post on X that he was denying entry for the aircraft.

In another post, Petro left the door open to receiving migrant flights, but called on the US to use civilian planes and establish better protocols for their treatment of migrants.

While Colombia cannot allow migrants to remain in a country that does not want them, they must be sent back “with dignity and respect for them and for our country. We will receive our fellow citizens on civilian planes, without treating them like criminals,” the Colombian president wrote. …”

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He got pissy and has declared "Tariff!"

apnews.com

White House says Colombia agrees to take deported migrants after Trump tariff showdown

The White House claimed victory in a showdown with Colombia over accepting flights of deported migrants from the U.S., hours after President Donald Trump threatened steep tariffs.
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StrangePackage said:
He got pissy and has declared "Tariff!"

apnews.com

White House says Colombia agrees to take deported migrants after Trump tariff showdown

The White House claimed victory in a showdown with Colombia over accepting flights of deported migrants from the U.S., hours after President Donald Trump threatened steep tariffs.
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Go, Trump, go! The more tariffs, the better! Crush that pesky international trade so your minions can see you’re helping their economic anxiety!
 
finesse said:
There's evidence to support that, something the lies you're telling don't have. You can look almost anywhere that actually have something besides purpoted statistics and find that out for yourself.
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Sorry, Bubba. Doesn't work that way. You want me to look up info to prove you're right? Buffoon keeps buffooning.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don't think he is intent on destroying the institutions and systems in our g'ment. I think he thinks like a business man and his default is to look for efficiency gains and to streamline.
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Firing everyone with no plan for how to get the job done doesn't equate to efficiency gains or streamlining. It's pure I'm in charge power hungry stupidity.
 
UNCatTech said:
Firing everyone with no plan for how to get the job done doesn't equate to efficiency gains or streamlining. It's pure I'm in charge power hungry stupidity.
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To be fair, there are plenty of examples of corporate America doing this over the last several years. Twitter being one of the most prominent. It pretty much never works, but it’s not as if people who think like a businessman are immune from making catastrophically stupid economic decisions.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Stephen Miller doesn't control immigration policy, so he can think whatever he wants.

JFC, if this BaitMode poast doesn't definitively put him squarely in the realm of a long-game troll/deeply unserious person, I don't know what does. :ROFLMAO:
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What kind of immigration are you talking about? Green cards are given to specific countries and are based on a percentage. Asylumo ttals are agreed upon by Congress and the president and change annually depending on circumstances in the world.
 
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