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StrangePackage said:
If immigrants, documented or not, aren't under the jurisdiction of the United States, how come we can charge them with Federal crimes?
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In addition to the fact that the language of the 14th is not even remotely ambiguous, that’s a big reason SCOTUS settled this issue definitively 127 years ago. No idea why people like Zen are still determined to argue it.
 
ZenMode said:
By saying "They don't know what they don't know" means they could have foreseen the changes in our ability to travel via airplane, making birth tourism possible.

What I hope, a think, will eventually happen is there there will be a debate about the spirit of the 14th Amendment. It seems to me that BRC was intended for those who desired to migrate here permanently, not fly here for "vacation", waddle across the border at the 11th hour just to have a kid or were temporarily living here for work (diplomats).

That debate will surely include a reconsidering of what "under jurisdiction of" means.
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I'll ask this again. Do you believe this debate about the "spirit" of the Amendment should happen with the entire Constitution?
 
farce© said:
Because he believes he is getting under your skin by doing so.
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Probably. And there are things he says here that do bug me. This is not one of them. I couldn’t care less what any MAGAs think about birthright citizenship. I just don’t know why someone would waste time arguing 127 year old SCOTUS precedent should be revisited.
 
lawtig02 said:
Probably. And there are things he says here that do bug me. This is not one of them. I couldn’t care less what any MAGAs think about birthright citizenship. I just don’t know why someone would waste time arguing 127 year old SCOTUS precedent should be revisited.
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Because other posters keep trying to ‘splain it to him after he keeps posting the same bullshit. Rinse and repeat.
 
lawtig02 said:
In addition to the fact that the language of the 14th is not even remotely ambiguous, that’s a big reason SCOTUS settled this issue definitively 127 years ago. No idea why people like Zen are still determined to argue it.
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Zen is a troll, which is why he is on Super Ignore. More upstanding board members should try this feature. Their lives will improve significantly, and they will be spared the indignity of chasing a rabbit with a kazoo.
 
lawtig02 said:
Probably. And there are things he says here that do bug me. This is not one of them. I couldn’t care less what any MAGAs think about birthright citizenship. I just don’t know why someone would waste time arguing 127 year old SCOTUS precedent should be revisited.
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Corporations are people, my friends?
 
finesse said:
Does that mean corporations will adopt their employees, give them allowances instead of a salary and avoid that whole nasty visa thing?
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No, maybe, and possibly.

Corporations were never people until our Supremely Corrupt Court said they were. God help us because most assuredly, the government as it's currently constituted and the Oligarchs won't.
 
Trying to break up the first week firehose thread I to more focused topics as makes sense.

Lots of changes in how and what the DOJ will focus on is not uncommon when the executive branch changes parties, but the whiplash could be quite extreme here as Trump personal attorneys and an election denier AG are installed at the top.
 
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“They replaced a Biden-era memo telling prosecutors to show leniency to some drug offenders with a new policy calling for the pursuit of the most serious charges and the stiffest penalties for all crimes. They halted much of the department’s civil-rights and environmental work. And they transferred more than 15 career employees to relatively marginal positions, part of a broader effort to ultimately thin the workforce. That was just the first week.

… Many department employees are on edge as they await Senate confirmation of Pam Bondi, Trump’s nominee for attorney general. Her chief of staff, Chad Mizelle, is leading the department until then, along with acting Attorney General James McHenry, a longtime immigration lawyer, and his temporary deputy, Emil Bove, who previously served as one of Trump’s criminal defense attorneys.

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As part of the department’s pivots, Mizelle issued a memo Friday sharply limiting prosecutions of people accused of blocking access to abortion clinics, calling such cases the “prototypical example” of federal weaponization.

Mizelle put an immediate hold on civil-rights litigation, meaning department lawyers can’t take additional steps in many existing cases “to ensure that the President’s appointees or designees have the opportunity to decide whether to initiate any new cases,” according to a memo viewed by The Wall Street Journal. Another memo told lawyers not to complete any settlements and suggested that the new administration could reconsider dozens of consent decrees meant to overhaul local police departments, a priority of the Biden administration.

Some of the Justice Department employees reassigned or demoted last week included people who advised on the two prosecutions of Trump or worked closely with Biden appointees in areas that the new leadership wants to overhaul or revamp. Those reassigned include lawyers who held senior roles within the national-security and criminal divisions. …”

 

White House warns of ‘consequences’ for Republicans who don’t support all of Trump’s nominees​

More Trump nominees with potentially rocky paths to confirmation face hearings in the Senate this week, including Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Kash Patel.

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White House warns of ‘consequences’ for Republicans who don’t support all of Trump’s nominees

More Trump nominees with potentially rocky paths to confirmation face hearings in the Senate this week, including Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Kash Patel.
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“… “It’s pass-fail. You either support everyone or you don’t,” a senior White House official told NBC News. “The Senate needs to advise and consent, not advise and adjust.”

… “There is a very well-funded consortium of outside groups and political actors that are sophisticated, smart and tough. We’ve already seen that they’ve provided air support and narrative support to some nominees,” said the official, referring to allied groups close to, but not directly controlled by, the White House.

“They’ll still be very well-funded when the nominations are over, and they’ll exact consequences, I’m sure, to those who do not support the president’s nominees and get them to the finish line.”

… Still, there is some unease. One Republican senator who has voted for all of Trump’s nominees so far said his colleagues will be wary of national security picks who “sound more like Tucker Carlson than a Republican,” referring to the hard-right conservative commentator who has been seen as friendly to U.S. adversaries such as Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“We’ll only give so much,” said the senator, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the internal Senate thinking. “Because this is the future of the country. It’s not entertainment television.” …”

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StrangePackage said:
If immigrants, documented or not, aren't under the jurisdiction of the United States, how come we can charge them with Federal crimes?
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I don't think that the ability to charge somebody with a crime, when they are in your country, is the sole determiner of what is meant by jurisdiction.
 
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