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“Momentum is growing among President Trump’s advisers to place 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada as soon as Saturday, bucking conventional wisdom in Washington and on Wall Street that he would back off the threatened levies as he has in the past in exchange for concessions.

Trump has shown a willingness to move swiftly on tariffs in recent days without allowing for drawn-out talks. On Sunday, Trump announced he would impose 25% “emergency” tariffs on Colombia because of its refusal to accept repatriation flightsfrom the U.S. A senior administration official said the decision proves that Trump views tariffs as an “effective negotiating tool” and “effective punishment” for nations that don’t hew to his agenda. …”
 
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For the record, the sanctions and tariffs are illegal and would likely be enjoined upon a lawsuit from an importers' trade group. So we'll be paying through the nose for roses and nothing will happen down south.
 
superrific said:
For the record, the sanctions and tariffs are illegal and would likely be enjoined upon a lawsuit from an importers' trade group. So we'll be paying through the nose for roses and nothing will happen down south.
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ST please explain your reasoning...
 
In the end, Colombia sent our planes back, Trump threatened a tariff and Colombia agreed to send planes to get the criminals.
 
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Mundial said:
ST please explain your reasoning...
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Trump is relying on the authority vested by 50 USC 1701-02. 1701(a) reads:

Any authority granted to the President by section 1702 of this title may be exercised to deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States, if the President declares a national emergency with respect to such threat.

The courts are typically deferential to the president in these emergency declarations, but what Trump is trying is so far out of bounds that no deference would be warranted. It is obvious that the refusal to allow the planes to land is not an "unusual and extraordinary threat" (especially since Mexico and Brazil did the same). It is obvious that it has nothing to do with the national security, foreign policy or economy. It is obvious that the source of the problem does not originate outside the United States, given that the issue was what happened inside the United States (i.e. boarded on a military plane and shackled). So he's zero for three, and there are not colorable arguments on two of them.

In addition, 1701(b) provides that:

The authorities granted to the President by section 1702 of this title may only be exercised to deal with an unusual and extraordinary threat with respect to which a national emergency has been declared for purposes of this chapter and may not be exercised for any other purpose. Any exercise of such authorities to deal with any new threat shall be based on a new declaration of national emergency which must be with respect to such threat.

So Trump has not declared a national emergency with respect to the military plane fiasco. He cannot use the one he already issued. So he would have to make a new declaration of national emergency with respect to such threat, and even to state the idea that "the foreign governments' insistence on non-military planes is a national emergency" is to realize the abject nonsense of the whole idea.

Furthermore, 1703 specifies that:

The President, in every possible instance, shall consult with the Congress before exercising any of the authorities granted by this chapter and shall consult regularly with the Congress so long as such authorities are exercised.

Whenever the President exercises any of the authorities granted by this chapter, he shall immediately transmit to the Congress a report specifying—

Neither of these provisions are strict requirements. The consultation with Congress "in every possible instance" isn't really enforceable; but both are further demonstration of the bad faith decision. He obviously made no attempt to determine whether this was a national emergency at all. He just shot off his mouth (and indeed has done nothing yet).

I'm not well acquainted with the case law about emergency powers, but I read about it back when Trump reprogrammed defense money to the wall. Unless there are cases I don't know of (and there might be), courts do have the power to push back on these emergency powers. If I was a district court judge, I would issue an injunction almost immediately given the ridiculousness of the whole affair.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
Honestly, doesn't this shit just drive these countries into the awaiting arms of China? Trump really hates America, doesn't he?
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This administration will squander American goodwill like no other. American soft power will disappear.
It was clear in the first administration...Trump treated allies worse than his enemies.
These heavy handed tactics will have unintended consequences they have not considered.
 
CRHeel94 said:
This administration will squander American goodwill like no other. American soft power will disappear.
It was clear in the first administration...Trump treated allies worse than his enemies.
These heavy handed tactics will have unintended consequences they have not considered.
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And this is why Xi loves having Trump in office. Trump is the Chinese Communist Party's best friend ever. Xi thinks in five year plans (or longer) and Trump has trouble thinking five minutes into the future.
 
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