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Interestingly, there are provisions in the NAFTA that allow companies to sue governments when violations of NAFTA inhibit their investments. So in addition to all the tariff costs, I would imagine the government will be paying out billions to private companies. I've not heard that reported anywhere, so maybe the investor protection provisions of the deal were quietly erased sometime in the past two decades. But perhaps everyone is just too overwhelmed.
 
NAFTA 2.0 was actually a pretty good treaty. Think it helped both the US and Mexico in eliminating some loopholes that created blindspots. The process to get there was traumatic.
 
I would look for Canada to start with high tariffs on good from red states.

Have no idea how Mexico will respond.
Canada is ready. That government isn't run by mooks. It will not only be red states. It will be swing states. And it will be states where there are GOPers up for Senate in 26. Susan Collins, babe, nobody gonna save you now.

I imagine it will be impossible to sell a lobster from the US to Canada
 
There's no way this ends with Elon Musk living in this country. If he tries to stay, he will be killed. Probably executed; vigilante if not. This isn't something I want to see, but that's how the authoritarianism always ends. Trump's family will also have to flee; if they don't I'd imagine Saddam and his kids will have company in hell.
 
There's no way this ends with Elon Musk living in this country. If he tries to stay, he will be killed. Probably executed; vigilante if not. This isn't something I want to see, but that's how the authoritarianism always ends. Trump's family will also have to flee; if they don't I'd imagine Saddam and his kids will have company in hell.
Hell isn't real.
 
He wil pull his tariffs-before Feb 01-and scream at Canada and Mexico blah blah and manufacture a new crisis the next day
 
Economists must be pulling their hair out watching a know-nothing halfwit like Trump extol the value of tariffs. Dude seems hellbent on wrecking the strong economy he inherited and most of his supporters are too ignorant to understand the economic FAFO barreling their way.
 
It’s insane that they think the U.S. can just hold everyone else hostage with all of tariff bullshit. The world can and will just tell us to fuck off. We don’t provide anything they cant get elsewhere.
Speaking of your avatar, I'd sell any stock one has in American car companies, once the Canadian reprisal tariffs kick in.

 
Canada is ready. That government isn't run by mooks. It will not only be red states. It will be swing states. And it will be states where there are GOPers up for Senate in 26. Susan Collins, babe, nobody gonna save you now.

I imagine it will be impossible to sell a lobster from the US to Canada
Most of Northern Maine, where a lot of red voters are, gets its electricity from Canada.
 
US going to need to mine that coal a bit...

 
Between the FBI purge and the OBM/ Treasury lock out, Elon Musk is taking your country.
 

Experts have raised questions over Trump’s demand from Canada, with so little fentanyl entering the US through its northern border that the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) omitted to even mention Canada in a 2020 report.

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Canada sends 75% of all its goods and services exports to the United States, its largest trading partner and closest ally. Trudeau said the trade spat and diplomatic tangle “is not what we want”, but that if Trump followed through on his threats, “we will also act”.

A first round of retaliatory tariffs would cause minimal damage to the US, covering C$37bn of its exports to Canada, but if needed, Canada’s federal government plans to escalate by imposing tariffs on C$110bn worth of goods.

Canada’s dollar has plunged against its US counterpart and experts warned Canada’s economy could fall into a recession.

“We don’t have a lot of good historical examples where we’ve had tariff shocks of this magnitude,” Tiff Macklem, the Bank of Canada governor, told reporters earlier this week. “Exactly how quickly, how big, how people react, what the implications are for inflation – there is a certain zone of uncertainty.”

Trump’s vague demands to “secure the border” have unsettled and confused Canadian negotiators shuttling between Ottawa and Washington with increased frequency and desperation.

“The reality is that a large, uncontrolled bully is using his position as the most powerful political leader in the world, to put pressure on a whole range of allies,” said Lawrence Herman, an international trade lawyer and senior fellow at the CD Howe Institute. “We have to, in Canada and the rest of the world, recognize that we’ve entered a new era.

“With the Trump administration, there are no rules. There is no respect for international treaties or agreements. There is no longer value to the US signature on international documents.”

Mark Carney, the frontrunner to replace Trudeau, said on Friday he was “foursquare” behind all lobbying efforts by Canadian ministers in Washington.

The former governor of the Bank of Canada and Bank of England said Canada would “never back down to a bully” and that the “fever” gripping the US would eventually break.

But others remain skeptical that a full resolution is possible.

Herman, who advises governments and companies on trade issues, worries that tension between the two nations has “shattered” a shared history.

“Repairing the longstanding relationship will be very, very difficult. It will depend on goodwill on the US side and Trump has dissipated most of that goodwill,” he said. “I don’t see it returning to where it was under the previous era. It’ll be a strained and difficult and contentious relationship going forward, and Canadians have to be prepared for that.”
 
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