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Right, that’s my point, I definitely believe there are a lot of Republican voters and some Republican politicians who want a more secure border. I’m not a Republican voter nor am I a Republican politician and I want a more secure border. But I’m saying that actual bonafide beefed up border security is not a legislative priority of the Republican Party, because if it was, they would have done something about it when they had all levers of power in 2017-2019, and they would do something about it when they have all levers of power right now (maybe now that they’ve won the election we can dust off Jim Lankford’s bill!).

But it’s not going to happen, because as soon as the border is secure, the Republican Party loses perhaps its single most effective electoral wedge issue.

I really think you'll see border legislation passed within the next month or so. It's not going to stop illegal border crossing and it's not going to stop asylum seekers coming to ports of entry, but Republicans, if they want to continue to win, have to take action the border. To not take action would be political suicide.....

But we shall see.
 
My fear is that all this spending that at least ostensibly is to help people is cut and then just redirected to the pockets of people like Musk and Trump. That doesn’t help anyone. It doesn’t even really help the uber wealthy who stand to get the tax cuts.
We will have to wait and see, but if all these cuts don’t lead the budget surpluses because of tax cuts to the most wealthy among us, are the Trump voters on this site going to be happy about that?
 

In a letter to Trump seen by the Guardian, Democrats noted that the US imports key construction materials worth billions of dollars – from lumber to cement products – from Canada and Mexico each year.

“Given the severe housing shortage, compounded by rising construction costs, persistent supply chain disruptions, and an estimated shortfall of 6m homes, these looming tariffs, while intended to protect domestic industries, risk further exacerbating the housing supply and affordability crisis while stifling the development of new housing,” they wrote.

In a statement, the White House claimed Trump would use tariffs to “usher in a new era of growth and prosperity” for the US.

Trump has repeatedly vowed to impose tariffs on Canada and Mexico, a move he has said will spur his country’s neighbors to work harder to reduce the number of immigrants crossing into the US, and stem the flow of fentanyl.

The proposed duties are sweeping, however – hitting all imports from both countries – raising concerns that they could raise prices throughout the US economy. Trump pulled back from the brink earlier this month following 11th-hour talks with Claudia Sheinbaum of Mexico and Justin Trudeau of Canada.

US officials are in talks with both countries ahead of the new deadline, 4 March, when tariffs are now due to be enforced.

More than 40 Democrats in the House of Representatives, led by Jim Costa of California, urged the White House to consider housebuilding industry estimates that the proposed tariffs on Canada and Mexico, paired with duties already charged on Chinese goods, will raise the cost of imported construction materials by up to $4bn.
 
Would any of you define what border security actually is? I personally think it's a chimera than no one can really define and that no one really agrees with. If you don't think we need the labor and human potential , you're misguided and if you think that what's happening is any kind of invasion, criminal or not, you're misled. Look at the real numbers of immigrants, look at our labor needs, look at the fact that they traditionally have a lower crime rate than native citizens and quit being complete idiots and equating immigration and drug trafficking and then give me an answer.
I'm with you 100% on the importance of immigrants in our country for 100% of the reasons you stated.

To answer your initial question, I'll answer how I personally would define border security. To me, border security is investing in more personnel and more technology (AI, biometrics/facial recognition, transportable surveillance towers, cameras, radar/sensors, etc.) at the southern border. But just as important, ans perhaps more so, it's investing in more immigration system personnel (processing personnel, judges, etc.) to make our system of legal immigration quicker, more efficient, and more humane.

Anyone who thinks we can "close" the southern border or who thinks that 100% of illegal border crossings can be stopped, is delusional. But I do think that there are technological means to beef up border security in a way that isn't performative political theater.
 
I was thinking about it last night, about what irritates me so much about DOGE. I was thinking to myself, "why am I so particularly opposed to this? Is it simple partisan haterade? Am I missing or misunderstanding something? Isn't attempting to make government spending more efficient a good thing? Shouldn't anyone, regardless of political partisanship, think that reducing or eliminating wasteful spending is good?"

I came to the conclusion that, for myself personally, it's not the "what" that annoys me, it's the "who" and the "how." The "what"- working to identify and correct wasteful or inefficient government spending- is generally a good thing regardless of political persuasion. But the "who"- Elon Musk, as an unqualified, unelected individual with clear conflicts of interest as one of the biggest government contractors- is problematic. And the "how"- essentially taking a chainsaw to the federal government with a "shut shit down and figure it out later" mentality- is potentially very harmful.

There have been no attempts to understand what positions and what agencies are needed and which are not. It's been "slash and burn first, ask questions later." His attempts to shutter statutory federal agencies is blatantly unconstitutional. The mass resignation offer that he tendered to the entire federal workforce is likely illegal. Slashing the size of the federal workforce so quickly and seemingly randomly, instead of methodically doing so over time after observation and analysis, is going to lead to, among other things, dramatic reduction in capability for critical agencies like the VA and others which are already sorely understaffed.

The conceptual idea of DOGE isn't bad at all, IMO. It's the person leading it, and the methods of execution, that are bad. If it was so important to streamline government inefficiency and reduce or eliminate wasteful spending of taxpayer dollars- and let me be clear that I think it is always very important to do both- then this should have been a 2-year project and analysis of where the most inefficiency and waste is coming from, and working to systematically reduce or eliminate programs that are deemed unnecessary. Instead, Musk has taken a giant chainsaw haphazardly to the entire federal government in 3 weeks, and the fallout is going to prove to be very detrimental to all Americans in the coming3, 6, 9, 12+ months.
 
I really think you'll see border legislation passed within the next month or so. It's not going to stop illegal border crossing and it's not going to stop asylum seekers coming to ports of entry, but Republicans, if they want to continue to win, have to take action the border. To not take action would be political suicide.....

But we shall see.
You are so naive.

There is one, and only one, endgame for the Trump administration (and Republican Congress under Trump) regarding the border:

To put a stop to immigration. Period.

Notice I didn't say illegal immigration. I said immigration. They don't want illegals. They don't want legal asylum seekers. Bottom line: They don't want brown people coming across our border.

They will gladly accept white South Africans, though. Go figure.
 
You are so naive.

There is one, and only one, endgame for the Trump administration (and Republican Congress under Trump) regarding the border:

To put a stop to immigration. Period.

Notice I didn't say illegal immigration. I said immigration. They don't want illegals. They don't want legal asylum seekers. Bottom line: They don't want brown people coming across our border.

They will gladly accept white South Africans, though. Go figure.
They are white and well to do. Only one percent of them are below the poverty level in South Africa. They are a disadvantaged class, indeed.
 
There is one, and only one, endgame for the Trump administration (and Republican Congress under Trump) regarding the border:

To put a stop to immigration. Period.


Notice I didn't say illegal immigration. I said immigration. They don't want illegals. They don't want legal asylum seekers. Bottom line: They don't want brown people coming across our border.

They will gladly accept white South Africans, though. Go figure.
Based on what?

Trump has said he plans to implement his "Wait in Mexico" program. That doesn't imply stopping legal immigration. That implies handling asylum seekers in a different way.

He's also never said, as far as I know, anything implying completely stopping legal immigration.
 
He's also never told the truth about virtually anything concerning immigration so watching what he does is the only approach worth anything.
 
Can’t Trump and his minions simply ignore any court rulings and then, if the judge holds them in contempt, Trump will simply issue a pardon.
 
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Trump pardons Silk Road dark web market creator Ross Ulbricht​



“… Silk Road, which was shut down in 2013 after police arrested Ulbricht, sold illegal drugs using Bitcoin, as well as hacking equipment and stolen passports.

Ulbricht was found guilty of charges including conspiracy to commit drug trafficking, money laundering and computer hacking.
During his trial, prosecutors said Ulbricht's website, hosted on the hidden "dark web", sold more than $200m (£131m) worth of drugs anonymously.

Prosecutors said he also solicited six murders-for-hire, including one against a former Silk Road employee, though they said no evidence existed that any killings were actually carried out. …”
 

Two MPD Officers Sentenced for 2020 Murder of Karon Hylton-Brown and Subsequent Coverup​


“Terence D. Sutton Jr., 40, a Fourth District police officer, was sentenced today to 66 months in prison and Andrew Zabavsky, 56, an MPD lieutenant, was sentenced to 48 months in prison, in connection with an unauthorized police pursuit that ended in a collision on Oct. 23, 2020, that caused the death of Karon Hylton-Brown, 20, in Northwest Washington D.C. The sentencing was announced by U.S. Attorney Matthew M. Graves and FBI Acting Special Agent in Charge David Geist of the Washington Field Office.

Sutton was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a unanimous federal jury on December 21, 2022, following a nine-week trial, of second-degree murder, conspiracy to obstruct, and obstruction of justice. The same jury found Zabavsky guilty of conspiracy to obstruct and obstruction of justice. In addition to the prison terms, U.S. District Court Judge Paul L. Friedman ordered each defendant to serve three years of supervised release. …”

Trump pardons two D.C. officers convicted in fatal chase and cover-up​

David Shurtz, an attorney representing the estate of Karon Hylton-Brown, 20, said the president’s decision was “outrageous” and “ill-advised.”


“… ‘They were arrested, put in jail for five years because they went after an illegal,’ Trump said Tuesday.

‘And I guess something happened where something went wrong, and they arrested the two officers and put them in jail for going after a criminal.’ …”
 

Trump Pardons Anti-Abortion Activists Who Blockaded Clinic​

The move came ahead of the March for Life, the annual anti-abortion rally in Washington where Vice President JD Vance is expected to address attendees.


“… The defendants in that case were charged with two federal offenses: conspiring against civil rights and violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, for the parts they played in blocking the entrance to that clinic. That law makes it a crime to threaten, obstruct or injure a person seeking access to a reproductive health clinic or to damage clinic property.

One of the anti-abortion activists, Lauren Handy, was sentenced to nearly five years in prison last year for her role in leading the blockade. Her case drew widespread attention when the police said that they had found five fetuses in her home shortly after she was charged in the case. Other defendants received sentences of less than three years in prison. One defendant, Jay Smith, 34, of Freeport, New York, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 10 months in prison.

The defendants, their representatives and allies, including Senator Josh Hawley, Republican of Missouri, have argued that they were exercising their First Amendment right to protest. Mr. Hawley celebrated Mr. Trump’s move Thursday on social media, and he has said that he had urged the president to pardon them swiftly.

The FACE Act, the 1994 law that protects reproductive health clinics, was rarely used during Mr. Trump’s first term. But in response to the State of Texas’ passing a restrictive abortion bill in 2021, Merrick B. Garland, the attorney general in the Biden administration, signaled that the Justice Department saw enforcement of the FACE Act as a priority as it sought to protect the constitutional right to abortion more broadly. …”
 


Ro Khana is a longtime Musk ally who has drawn criticism from other Democrats for supporting (or refusing to join criticism) of DOGE.
 
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