That would be for the negotiations for the next budget. Once Congress has allocated money to the various programs, departments and agencies the president cannot refuse to spend the money.
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Congress approves funds to spend on various items, but Trump apparently thinks he can decide whether or not to actually fund those items decided on by Congress. Does he have this authority? I don't think so ...
Can a president refuse to spend funds approved by Congress? | Constitution Center
Shortly after President Donald Trump took office, his administration briefly paused federal spending on various programs. Although that spending has been restored, the move led to questions about the separation of powers between the president and Congress.
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If Trump gets his way ...
Executive branch >> Legislative branch = Judicial branch
Unless you're Tommy Tuberville, and then
Executive branch >> Senate branch = House branch
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CFordUNC
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I agree that it's absurd for anyone to reflexively label someone 'racist' for wanting to have a more secure border or border enforcement policies. I also think that it's equally absurd to pretend that the Republican Party has any desire to secure the southern border. If they did, it would be done. They had majorities in both houses of Congress for the first part of Trump 1.0, and have majorities in both here in the first part of Trump 2.0. If they wanted there to be a border solution, there would be a border solution. Texas, in particular, is not an impoverished state. Arizona is not an impoverished state. You can say that blocking the Republican-generated bipartisan border bill- one that was the stuff of Republican wet dreams and was a total surrender by the Democratic Party- was smart election year politicking (if not incredibly cynical). But then why, with majorities in both houses of Congress and a Republican in the executive branch who will rubber stamp any bill that passes the Republican Congress, is there nothing being done (and nothing going to be done) except performative border outrage theater?
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Much of it is determined by how the appropriations were worded. Some he will have no control over this go around but will have more control next year. I'm good with the money going where legally required to go and in the end trump will follow. I'm happy with just highlighting the spending bullshit now so that future funding will be cut. I think most of his voters will agree in the end. So, keep turning over every rock elon. highlight every penny spent on bullshit so that it will end.
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Without doing a whole bunch of research, I know at least one of the recent injunctions against Trump's nonsense came from a judge he appointed 6 years ago. Very much like when he lost 70+ lawsuits contesting the election and many of the rulings came from judges he appointed. So I don't think anyone on this board wants to hear some bullshit about activist judges without some argument as to why the rulings are actually wrong.
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Why does Elon Musk, an unelected official, and also not confirmed by Congress or the public, get to decide what's bullshit and what isn't?
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BillOfRights
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Uhhh, have you opened your bible recently?
What did Jesus say we are to do to immigrants? Separate them from their families and deport them? Criticize Catholics who help them?
What did Jesus say we are to do to the hungry? Cut off their aid? Stop paying USAID? Eliminate free school breakfast and lunch?
What did Jesus say we are to do to the sick? Kick them off their health insurance? Cut Medicaid? Stop payments to Lutheran Family Services for providing long term care?
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And how do you know what he's talking about any better than I do? Do you have some sort of direct thought line to JD Vance?
Also, it doesn't need to be a SCOTUS ruling for it to be a legitimate limitation on executive power. Thats not how the judiciary works.
And Vance damned well knows he's talking out of his ass.
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Yep. Totally woke. You must have one of those MAGA bibles.
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“… When asked if he’d accept rulings by judges who he complained have slowed his shock-and-awe start to his second term, the president said: “I always abide by the courts.” His comment may temporarily cool fears of a constitutional imbroglio. But this is a man who ignored court orders meant to tame his rhetoric during his criminal hush money trial. …”
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“… Musk’s success so far is the fruit of his decision to pick the easiest targets – like USAID and CFPB. Foreign aid is rarely popular with voters, especially in an era when an “America First” president runs the White House. And the consumer bureau has been in the sights of Republican lawmakers for years.
But the next targets could be more politically painful for Trump and his base. He’s hinted that the Education Department is high on the list – and he could pull off a feat dreamed of by several GOP presidents with a closure. But any disruption to student loans or important education programs in the states could anger voters beyond those upset about the gutting of USAID.
Trump called on Tuesday for the dismantling of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which he’s been softening up for months with his inflated claims that it failed North Carolinians after a hurricane hit last year. A new system of sending disaster aid directly to states seems like a great money-saving idea that could cut through bureaucracy. But the loss of FEMA’s institutional knowledge and infrastructure could rebound politically against the White House if the response to a future natural disaster fails.
Musk is posing some searching questions for the federal government and will inevitably find waste in such a large organization – even if many of his claims are not backed up by full weight of evidence to allow voters to judge for themselves. …”
But the next targets could be more politically painful for Trump and his base. He’s hinted that the Education Department is high on the list – and he could pull off a feat dreamed of by several GOP presidents with a closure. But any disruption to student loans or important education programs in the states could anger voters beyond those upset about the gutting of USAID.
Trump called on Tuesday for the dismantling of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which he’s been softening up for months with his inflated claims that it failed North Carolinians after a hurricane hit last year. A new system of sending disaster aid directly to states seems like a great money-saving idea that could cut through bureaucracy. But the loss of FEMA’s institutional knowledge and infrastructure could rebound politically against the White House if the response to a future natural disaster fails.
Musk is posing some searching questions for the federal government and will inevitably find waste in such a large organization – even if many of his claims are not backed up by full weight of evidence to allow voters to judge for themselves. …”
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That informs what appears in my feed
In addition I can further narrow using search functions on specific topics
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I think that there are a lot of Republican voters, and some Republican politicians, who want a more secure border.
I don't think being a border state is automatically synonymous with being impoverished. Arizona, given how fast they are growing, probably benefits from it's population of illegal immigrants. They provide a much needed labor force.
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Right, that’s my point, I definitely believe there are a lot of Republican voters and some Republican politicians who want a more secure border. I’m not a Republican voter nor am I a Republican politician and I want a more secure border. But I’m saying that actual bonafide beefed up border security is not a legislative priority of the Republican Party, because if it was, they would have done something about it when they had all levers of power in 2017-2019, and they would do something about it when they have all levers of power right now (maybe now that they’ve won the election we can dust off Jim Lankford’s bill!).
But it’s not going to happen, because as soon as the border is secure, the Republican Party loses perhaps its single most effective electoral wedge issue.
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This characterization of Northern Democrats versus Southern Conservatives is so doltishly stupid. It's really pretty sad that anyone would think like that and say it out loud.
You know, there just MIGHT be a correlation in the fact that southern state economies are growing faster and the fact that they have more immigration. Whether that's a direct correlation or not I can't say, but I think we can all definitively say that higher immigration rates have not hindered southern states from being desirable places to live, work, and do business.
Be careful of the problems you "fix" because you might just break something else in the process.
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Elon Musk targets Lutheran Social Services of Illinois
Elon Musk targets Lutheran Social Services of Illinois
On February 1, Elon Musk said his Department of Government Efficiency was going to rapidly shut down what he called “illegal payments” to Lutheran Social Services, including the Lutheran Social Services of Illinois. Peter Medlin reports…
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“… Musk didn’t show any evidence of why these payments would be illegal. But LSSI President and CEO Mark Stutrud said in a statement that they’re likely being targeted because some Lutheran Social Service groups receive funding for refugee resettlement or Head Start. It doesn’t provide those services in Illinois, which Stutrud says are vital.
The social media criticism of Lutheran Social Services was originally started by former Trump advisor and conspiracy theorist Michael Flynn. The president's former National Security Advisor posted a list of federal grants awarded to Lutheran organizations.
That list included a nearly $3 million grant from the Department of Health & Human Services to Lutheran Social Services of Illinois. Jajko says that grant is to support a move to a new model of support with their community behavioral health clinic. She says the clinic is meant to be a "one stop shop" that integrates their substance use and mental health services. …”
Would any of you define what border security actually is? I personally think it's a chimera than no one can really define and that no one really agrees with. If you don't think we need the labor and human potential , you're misguided and if you think that what's happening is any kind of invasion, criminal or not, you're misled. Look at the real numbers of immigrants, look at our labor needs, look at the fact that they traditionally have a lower crime rate than native citizens and quit being complete idiots and equating immigration and drug trafficking and then give me an answer.