Welcome to our community

Be apart of something great, join today!

Register Log in

Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

  • Thread starter Thread starter nycfan
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 12K
  • Views: 617K
  • Politics 
nycfan said:




“5/ Yes, there are some mixed messages from Hegseth, Vance, Trump and GOP senators. But the overall change in direction is easily discernible - and of course only Trump’s voice and decisions truly matter. Did Americans vote for this change to this degree? I don’t know. But the shift will affect the world and Americans’ lives in measurable ways for many years to come.”
Click to expand...



“… The United States is rapidly being viewed as unreliable”
 
I’m sincerely glad that both of my grandfathers, one of which landed on Omaha Beach at 19 years old to fight fascism, and the other of which landed on Iwo Jima at 20 years old to fight imperialism, aren’t around to see the United States of America capitulate to both in front of the entire world. I’m probably naïve and stupid, both, but it’s really hard for me to wrap my minuscule brain around how we got to this point where the United States is begging to join an axis of evil. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to be gained from partnering with Russia or with fascist out parties in Germany, but there is everything to lose.
 


Musk is a member of the U.S. government now, so a big difference, as a start.
 
nycfan said:


“… The United States is rapidly being viewed as unreliable”
Click to expand...

"I can tell you Jim it’s not sitting well here in free Tokyo and in free Seoul next-door and it’s generating more and more talk about both nations pursuing nuclear weapons programs"

I honestly think this is the biggest concern. Trump has been saying he's going to pull back from some of our military commitments for a very long time and it looks like it's happening. If we can reduce our defense spending at the same time we reduce our defense commitments, that's going to be great for American taxpayers. The model of funding Ukraine while decimating our greatest geopolitical enemy has been cheap in both blood and treasure and effective.

But if more Nations start seeking nuclear weapons, is that a great trade-off? Nuclear proliferation is pretty scary, even with so-called "responsible" countries. So far, we're the only country that has used them and mutually assured destruction has worked wonders. Will that be the case indefinitely? It's certainly a risk.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
"I can tell you Jim it’s not sitting well here in free Tokyo and in free Seoul next-door and it’s generating more and more talk about both nations pursuing nuclear weapons programs"

I honestly think this is the biggest concern. Trump has been saying he's going to pull back from some of our military commitments for a very long time and it looks like it's happening. If we can reduce our defense spending at the same time we reduce our defense commitments, that's going to be great for American taxpayers. The model of funding Ukraine while decimating our greatest geopolitical enemy has been cheap in both blood and treasure and effective.

But if more Nations start seeking nuclear weapons, is that a great trade-off? Nuclear proliferation is pretty scary, even with so-called "responsible" countries. So far, we're the only country that has used them and mutually assured destruction has worked wonders. Will that be the case indefinitely? It's certainly a risk.
Click to expand...
This speech Vance is giving in Europe is increasing that risk by the moment. He’s basically saying no country can count on us anymore unless it bends to the will of the far right, exemplified by MAGA.
 


“… Vance’s comments brought the event to a standstill.

…The speech focused largely on culture war issues and populism, with Vance accusing European governments and the European Union of being “commissars” more interested in stifling free speech than in providing security for their citizens.

He also attacked high levels of migration, touching on the same themes that animated Donald Trump’s return to power in the United States. He said he was praying for the victims of Thursday’s attack in Munich, when a migrant drove a car into a crowd, injuring 15.

“How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our civilization in a different direction?” Vance said. …”



 
Last edited:
At this point, the US government is a full-on baddie, and it took less than one month.

Musk, tech-theocrats, and unhinged maga white christonationalists have joined forces to lay the foundation of a Russia v EU conflagration to rival all prior conflicts. Vance, Musk, et al. are implicitly in public, and I suspect explicitly in private, giving Putin free rein to invade Poland and the Baltics.

This is a full-frontal attack on democracy and pluralism throughout the western world, and each of us is helping to fund it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top