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Yeah, thought I had posted it last night but never did.


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“… By late afternoon, Mr. Trump had pinned the statement to the top of his Truth Social feed, making it clear it was not a passing thought but one he wanted people to absorb. The official White House account on X posted his message in the evening.

The quote is a variation of one sometimes attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, although its origin is unclear.

Nonetheless, the sentiment was familiar: Mr. Trump, through his words and actions, has repeatedly suggested that surviving two assassination attempts is evidence that he has divine backing to enforce his will. …”
 
Cont’d

“… But, taken at face value, Mr. Trump’s statement on Saturday went much further [than DOJ invoking Unitary Executive theories], suggesting that even if what he is doing unambiguously breaks an otherwise valid law, that would not matter if he says his motive is to save the country.

There are a handful of instances of other presidents claiming the power to override legal limits, but those have usually been limited to national security.

In the early days of the Civil War, for example, Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus rights, called up troops and otherwise spent money that Congress, which was not in session, had not appropriated.

When Congress reconvened, Lincoln sent them a letter telling them what he had done and famously asking, “are all the laws but one to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated?” He also said that what he had done, “whether strictly legal or not,” had been necessary, and Congress retroactively ratified his actions.

More than a century later, after President Richard Nixon resigned to avoid being impeached in the Watergate scandal, he talked in an interview about wiretapping and other steps that might appear to be illegal but were undertaken to protect against foreign threats. Citing Lincoln’s example, Nixon said presidents have inherent power to authorize government officials to break laws if the president decides that doing so is in the national interest.

“When the president does it, that means it’s not illegal,” Nixon claimed.


Mr. Trump and some of his allies have pushed the political argument that the nation has been under siege from what they characterize as leftist policies and values, and has fallen into a spiral of decline that must be reversed by any means necessary.

Among them, Mr. Trump’s budget chief, Russell Vought, wrote an essay in 2022, declaring that the United States was already in a “post-Constitutional moment” and that to push back against liberals, it was necessary to be “radical in discarding or rethinking the legal paradigms that have confined our ability to return to the original Constitution.” “
 
I look forward to the insight from our resident apologists and don ciphers for how this quote is:
  1. In keeping with a country of law and order
  2. In keeping with the constitutional framework of a democracy
  3. In keeping with a presidency and not a monarchy/autocracy
don has committed a dozen or more acts, in less than a month, that would have resulted in impeachment of any prior president.
 
H. L. Mencken spoke to this in the early 20th century.


Mencken, the curmudgeonly Sage of Baltimore, turned phrases that I sometimes quote today. 'No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public. ' 'American democracy consists of jackals worshiped by jackasses. ' 'For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.

Words to live by in these troubled times.



“Both Barnum and H. L. Mencken are said to have made the depressing observation that no one ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. The remark has worldwide application. But the lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather, the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking.”

― Carl Sagan, Broca's Brain: Reflections on the Romance of Science
 
They've given so much immunity to the president but that means you go after everyone else.
Not only presidential immunity, but immunity ( aka pardon ) for any Trumper who engages in act of violence in order to "save" the country.

This a green light for the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and any MAGA militia or lone wolf MAGA lunatic to act as Trump's brown shirt paramilitary with impunity.
 
My snap judgement is “fucking do it”.

Republicans are already a group of such unserious, but dangerous, clowns that anything resulting in public fiasco, I welcome. They’re going to create chaos, regardless, let them do so in a blatantly personal, corrupt, and anti rule of law manner.

Light it on fire, fuckers.
By the hysterics it would appear that something has been lit
 
Looking back saves them from facing the reality of what lies ahead. They can just “reflect” on the Biden administration rather than connecting the dots to realize what the Trump administration is planning. They prefer to imagine every “questionable” data point exists in a vacuum, unrelated to every other unsavory data point which tells a story that is fairly self-evident unless one purposefully avoids the obvious big picture. Self-deception is a key feature of Trump voters over the past few weeks.
 
We have callayeahs throwing around accusations, all the while they will gleefully participate and/or cheer on violent repression.
 
By the hysterics it would appear that something has been lit
Do you not think such a statement from the President of the United States is worthy of hysterics.

You can also save the "this is Trump speak" lecture. It isn't about how Trump himself intends the message. It is about how those who follow him fervently interpret the message.
 
At some point, you’re going to have stop whining about the last presidency and start recognizing the authoritarian shit show this one is becoming.
No, he really won't. That would require him looking in the mirror that he perpetually carries around shoving in the faces of "Dims" decrying their hypocrisy. He isn't up to the task of managing that for himself.
 
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