Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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UNCatTech said:
I was listening to a podcast this morning about the Christian Nationalist Russell Vought. He, and the project 2025 team, believe that the President does have this power.

Of course he also believes that the President and the country answer to his mythical God.

With people like this in power, we're fucked.

But I guess Calla and Ramrouser will be ok when church is mandatory and tithing is taken out of your check pre tax.
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UNCatTech said:
But I guess Calla and Ramrouser will be ok when church is mandatory and tithing is taken out of your check pre tax.
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I actually think this misunderstands the direction in which "Christian nationalists" want to take us. Just like with everything else in the culture wars, they care about Christianity having cultural supremacy far more than any sort of religious mandate. They don't want to, and I don't think they will seek to, establish any sort of mandatory tithing or religious institutions. They don't want to make churches themselves more powerful, or force people back into pews, they just want to chill minority religions and get back to a place where most or all key government officials are culturally Christian and the government recognizes and enforces the cultural primacy of Christianity.
 
rodoheel said:
I actually think this misunderstands the direction in which "Christian nationalists" want to take us. Just like with everything else in the culture wars, they care about Christianity having cultural supremacy far more than any sort of religious mandate. They don't want to, and I don't think they will seek to, establish any sort of mandatory tithing or religious institutions. They don't want to make churches themselves more powerful, or force people back into pews, they just want to chill minority religions and get back to a place where most or all key government officials are culturally Christian and the government recognizes and enforces the cultural primacy of Christianity.
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In the podcast they played audio quotes from him talking about the government and the citizens answering to God and God having ultimate authority.

So, you may be correct, I do not know, but he sure sounded like the theocracy type.
 
ChileG said:
The kind of thing one does if one has plans of never ceding power, ever.
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And yet we'll have our usual suspects come here to tell us that this is all perfectly fine and normal and/or necessary. They're either so obsessed with bosiding everything or they've gone so far down the MAGA rabbit hole that they'll never admit that we're in a very bad place as a nation right now.
 
farce© said:
The problem with that is we haven’t seen any actual savings from DOGE at this point. Just bunch of bullshit tweets that don’t stand up to even minimal scrutiny.
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I keep thinking that these cuts are all planned and part of Project 2025's scheme to pay for the coming tax cuts that will aimed heavily towards the wealthy and corporations. But given how slapdash and disorganized they have been I'm starting to wonder if there is no long-term plan (at least from guys like Musk) other than to just cause chaos and gut government agencies that have been regulating him or that he thinks are worthless, and if it's being done out of a kind of nihilism. It's almost as if it's just a game to Musk, coupled with extreme pettiness, arrogance, and vindictiveness.
 
UNCatTech said:
In the podcast they played audio quotes from him talking about the government and the citizens answering to God and God having ultimate authority.

So, you may be correct, I do not know, but he sure sounded like the theocracy type.
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Could you share the podcast episode?
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Not just Ukraine. Withdrawing US troops from the Baltic states is a major FU to NATO. Russia could invade all 3 of them without direct conflict between US and Russian forces and then Trump could simply ignore Article 5.
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He's going to allow Putin to rebuild the Soviet Empire and militarily threaten Europe again, and yet his supporters will continue to defend him as if he's the greatest leader since Lincoln. All because he's owning the libs here at home and hurting the people they don't like.
 
UNCatTech said:
In the podcast they played audio quotes from him talking about the government and the citizens answering to God and God having ultimate authority.

So, you may be correct, I do not know, but he sure sounded like the theocracy type.
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Yes they will absolutely try to invoke and say they are imbued with the authority of the Christian God. They are attempting to justify their own power through God's power. But that doesn't mean they will force you to tithe or go the church. Institutional religion is far too diffuse in the US to try something like that - they're not going to piss off all the denominations by anointing one as the "state church."
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I keep thinking that these cuts are all planned and part of Project 2025's scheme to pay for the coming tax cuts that will aimed heavily towards the wealthy and corporations. But given how slapdash and disorganized they have been I'm starting to wonder if there is no long-term plan (at least from guys like Musk) other than to just cause chaos and gut government agencies that have been regulating him or that he thinks are worthless, and if it's being done out of a kind of nihilism. It's almost as if it's just a game to Musk, coupled with extreme pettiness, arrogance, and vindictiveness.
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I don’t think Project 2025 anticipated Trump’s infatuation with Elon Musk.
 
rodoheel said:
It wasn't straw manning it was sarcasm, lol. Do you know the difference?

if your position is that there shouldn't be any minimum wage set by the government at all - and that the minimum wage should be set by the market - just come out and say it. We all know you tend to pretty libertarian in philosophy.
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Indeed, very libertarian to be sure, and so unZen-like all the same time
 
ZenMode said:
There's also a functional "minimum" wage that varies greatly between jobs and geographies.
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No, there's not. You're confusing a market-clearing wage -- i.e. an equilibrium wage determined by supply and demand -- with a legislated minimum. They aren't the same thing or remotely comparable. States do have minimum wage laws that exceed the federal minimum in many cases; about that you are correct. But this "minimum" wage is nonsense.
 
Napoleon did institute a lot of improvements in France that are still in use today. However, from his earliest conquests in Italy to the Battle of Waterloo he constantly attacked his neighbors to gain territory for France and to increase his stature in Europe. After his return from Elba the other powers in Europe realized there could be no peace until he was gone. He had lost support from his allies among the German States and other parts of Europe. At one point his armies were fighting from Madrid to Moscow. After his defeat at Waterloo at the hands of an international coalition he was sent to St. Helena in the middle of the Atlantic. While a coalition arose to rid Europe of Napoleon, I don’t see such a coalition coming together to stop Trump. There will be no Wellington to stop Trump. Our best hope is that he meets his end soon.
 
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