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EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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It’s why I post what I post. I’m going to be wrong about a few things, but in the grand scheme the consequences are right in our collective faces, and it should be documented time after time after time, because when it all starts to unravel there’re no reasons to placate the intellectually unserious and completely predictable right-winger responses.
 
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EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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Same way they blamed Biden for everything that happened in 2020 and didn’t blame/associate Trump with any of it.

newrepublic.com

Why Did Trump Win? These Dems Have Discovered a Very Disturbing Answer

Are you sitting down? Turns out it proved very hard to persuade swing voters that Trump was a bad president.
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“… Undecided voters didn’t believe that some of the highest profile things that happened during Trump’s presidency—even if they saw these things negatively—were his fault.

This was the case on two of the biggest issues in the campaign—the 2020 economic crash and demise of reproductive rights, the operative told me. The result: The good pre-Covid economy during the Trump years largely defined undecided voters’ impressions of him, and no message about his first term could persuade them to the contrary. …”
 
EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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Yep. This is precisely why I am not going to be bummed if the Democrats don’t flip the House. In many ways, it’s best if they don’t. Voters need to feel the full weight of the consequences (elections have consequences!!!) of the policy implications of their votes. I’m not saying that those policy implications won’t negatively impact all of us to varying degrees, but I think that the negative impact will disproportionately affect the median Trump voter significantly more so than the median Harris voter.

Let Trump be Trump. Let him implement these policies that he promised. Give the voters what they want.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yep. This is precisely why I am not going to be bummed if the Democrats don’t flip the House. In many ways, it’s best if they don’t. Voters need to feel the full weight of the consequences (elections have consequences!!!) of the policy implications of their votes. I’m not saying that those policy implications won’t negatively impact all of us to varying degrees, but I think that the negative impact will disproportionately affect the median Trump voter significantly more so than the median Harris voter.

Let Trump be Trump. Let him implement these policies that he promised. Give the voters what they want.
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Yep. This has been my thinking as well since the election. If this is what 51% of the country really wants, then give it to them. I also hope the Democrats don't take the House (although coming really close would be nice). Just let Trump & Company do what they want and see what happens. I think it will be a disaster for the economy and country in general, but as liberals can't stop it anyway just let them control the government. Of course they'll still try to blame Democrats, but it didn't work in 2017 and 2018 when they had control of all three branches and the Democrats gained 40 House seats in 2018 and picked up some governorships as well. Most Americans voted for this, so let them have it and face the consequences.
 
Here’s a story about how things went during Alabama’s statewide crackdown on illegal immigration a decade or so ago. They abandoned it pretty quickly… in Alabama.
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How America's harshest immigration law failed

Alabama tried to kick out its undocumented immigrants with the harshest law in the country. Two year's later, the law's in ruins and the immigrants remain.
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For those pushing mass deportation, do they:
a) not care about the impact on the economy, which could be enourmous and ultimately sink the Trump administration
b) not smart enough to consider the impacts on the economy
c) think all of the jobs will be magically filled by American citizens despite current very low employment and high labor participation rates

I really don't understand the end game beyond simple nationalistic fervor.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yep. This is precisely why I am not going to be bummed if the Democrats don’t flip the House. In many ways, it’s best if they don’t. Voters need to feel the full weight of the consequences (elections have consequences!!!) of the policy implications of their votes. I’m not saying that those policy implications won’t negatively impact all of us to varying degrees, but I think that the negative impact will disproportionately affect the median Trump voter significantly more so than the median Harris voter.

Let Trump be Trump. Let him implement these policies that he promised. Give the voters what they want.
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My instinct is to agree but I am afraid of the soybean farmer example. When rural white people are impacted the administration will pay them off. When we lose our white collar jobs, nobody will care.
 
@donbosco how will central and South American governments react to the mass deportations? In general….i am sure it will vary. Are we in danger of opening the region to overtures from China?
 
bassydude77 said:
For those pushing mass deportation, do they:
a) not care about the impact on the economy, which could be enourmous and ultimately sink the Trump administration
b) not smart enough to consider the impacts on the economy
c) think all of the jobs will be magically filled by American citizens despite current very low employment and high labor participation rates

I really don't understand the end game beyond simple nationalistic fervor.
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They think all the people on welfare will do those jobs. They are convinced our cities are just filled with people getting rich on government assistance and they want those welfare frauds to be put to work. In other words, they are clueless.
 
The thing that gets me is the animosity towards the educated elites. Plowing a field or even managing a farm budget are admirable endeavors but they don’t give you insight into how macroeconomics works. If you can’t bother to understand who pays tariffs, how are you expecting to understand the full economic consequences of those tariffs?

We used to admire and look up to people who are experts in their field. Not saying we all agreed with everything like those who pushed trickle down economics but in general the public had respect for education. There was always those who didn’t but they had no political sway.
 
Between science, automation and secularism, education is a threat to their jobs, their religion and their way of life. They find it easier and more comfortable to believe the conservatives can bring it back than that something better will be built. Can't completely blame them. Some things we are going to really miss are going to be gone, mostly small businesses and diners and family restaurants in material terms.
 
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I think this needs to be multi faceted. If folks are here illegally, but are working, there needs to be some sort of option for the employers to "sponsor" these employees if they are law abiding aside from being in the country illegally. However, if there are illegal immigrants in the country that are not working or not part of a family unit that is worked, they should be deported. It's a very complex and complicated issue, there needs to legislative changes in addition to deportations.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I think this needs to be multi faceted. If folks are here illegally, but are working, there needs to be some sort of option for the employers to "sponsor" these employees if they are law abiding aside from being in the country illegally. However, if there are illegal immigrants in the country that are not working or not part of a family unit that is worked, they should be deported. It's a very complex and complicated issue, there needs to legislative changes in addition to deportations.
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I agree. Like the bipartisan bill Trump tanked. That’s pretty much exactly what you’re describing.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I think this needs to be multi faceted. If folks are here illegally, but are working, there needs to be some sort of option for the employers to "sponsor" these employees if they are law abiding aside from being in the country illegally. However, if there are illegal immigrants in the country that are not working or not part of a family unit that is worked, they should be deported. It's a very complex and complicated issue, there needs to legislative changes in addition to deportations.
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I’d bet that significantly less than 1% of them are not working or part of a family unit.
 
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