Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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Wut? That is some weird idolatry going on, apparently literally signed by Trump.
 
Silence Dogood said:
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I think this one will turn out to be fine. FEMA is authorized by Congress to administrator those funds to help house migrants. Not sure why its going through FEMA but my guess is someone wanted to pass a bill that might be a bit of a fight in an election year and a disaster relief bill was likely to pass so it got added on.

www.fema.gov

Shelter and Services Program | FEMA.gov

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is funded through U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and administered by FEMA, as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023.
www.fema.gov www.fema.gov

I don't know if it will be popular but my guess is that it was passed to help communities struggling with migrants. Most of those would be at the border in mostly Republican districts. Maybe the luxury hotel will be an issue if that turns out to be true.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think this one will turn out to be fine. FEMA is authorized by Congress to administrator those funds to help house migrants. Not sure why its going through FEMA but my guess is someone wanted to pass a bill that might be a bit of a fight in an election year and a disaster relief bill was likely to pass so it got added on.

www.fema.gov

Shelter and Services Program | FEMA.gov

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is funded through U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and administered by FEMA, as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023.
www.fema.gov www.fema.gov

I don't know if it will be popular but my guess is that it was passed to help communities struggling with migrants. Most of those would be at the border in mostly Republican districts. Maybe the luxury hotel will be an issue if that turns out to be true.
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Illegal immigrants, you forgot that part
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think this one will turn out to be fine. FEMA is authorized by Congress to administrator those funds to help house migrants. Not sure why its going through FEMA but my guess is someone wanted to pass a bill that might be a bit of a fight in an election year and a disaster relief bill was likely to pass so it got added on.

www.fema.gov

Shelter and Services Program | FEMA.gov

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is funded through U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and administered by FEMA, as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023.
www.fema.gov www.fema.gov

I don't know if it will be popular but my guess is that it was passed to help communities struggling with migrants. Most of those would be at the border in mostly Republican districts. Maybe the luxury hotel will be an issue if that turns out to be true.
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Whats your take on why they're provided housing, but actual citizens affected by the hurricane in North Carolina were living in tents?
 
Silence Dogood said:
Whats your take on why they're provided housing, but actual citizens affected by the hurricane in North Carolina were living in tents?
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I suspect they are separate issues. Where the migrants were located there were hotels and other structures. Where the citizens were located there was flooded out rubble.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Whats your take on why they're provided housing, but actual citizens affected by the hurricane in North Carolina were living in tents?
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One issue FEMA had with housing people in WNC was that those folks were so thoroughly inundated with misinformation about FEMA that they had a hard time getting them to apply for aid. FEMA even extended the deadline to try and get people to respond.
 
Enigma94 said:
One issue FEMA had with housing people in WNC was that those folks were so thoroughly inundated with misinformation about FEMA that they had a hard time getting them to apply for aid. FEMA even extended the deadline to try and get people to respond.
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Lol yeah ok
 
Silence Dogood said:
Illegal immigrants, you forgot that part
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You’re so incredibly gullible. Do you think Musk makes the distinction between legal and illegal?

To him and the rest of his administration, every brown person who wasn’t born in this country is an illegal.

How about showing us some proof of his accusations? He hasn’t exactly earned the right to be accepted at his word.

Look up something called the SSP (Shelter and Services Program). Congress approved and the money doesn’t come out of the FEMA budget. This is the “smoking gun” Elon is speaking about. Only he’s too stupid to understand that it is 100% legal and delegated by Congress.
 
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Silence Dogood said:
Lol yeah ok
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You don't have to believe it, but it's all public record that FEMA has extended the deadline more than once and there are articles out there outlining how people distrust FEMA so much they refuse to apply for aid. One particular odious piece of misinformation is that FEMA would take their land. I don't expect a MAGA loser to believe evidence, so just continue to wallow in your ignorance for all I care.
 


This former NSF / House Science committee fella discusses why any such cuts are illegal. Granted, it's unclear that legality matters anymore.

Presumably there are lawsuits coming? Whereas red states happily shuttered DEI offices, I don't understand how they'd allow hospitals and universities to shed tens of thousands of employees with catastrophic ripple effects. Not to mention, some red states have recently made enormous investments in research universities--why crater that?
 
Enigma94 said:
You don't have to believe it, but it's all public record that FEMA has extended the deadline more than once and there are articles out there outlining how people distrust FEMA so much they refuse to apply for aid. One particular odious piece of misinformation is that FEMA would take their land. I don't expect a MAGA loser to believe evidence, so just continue to wallow in your ignorance for all I care.
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If FEMA were ran correctly and wasn't politized the right people would be getting help. The Biden administration put illegals ahead of citizens. One of many reasons the voters put Trump back in office
 
www.thebulwark.com

Under Trump, Laws Are Just Vibes

The administration’s dangerous attack on scientific funding is part of a pattern of illegality and abuse.
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This is a really insightful explainer of how devastating massive budget cuts will be for academic medical centers.

"We can debate about how NIH funds the infrastructure costs for doing research—including the buildings, scientific labs and materials, training of scientists, maintenance, support staff, clinical care, and ever-rising costs of ensuring compliance with federal rules about how funds are spent. We can also debate how the overhead rate is determined. Those are all fair subjects for discussion. But let’s be clear about what this NIH cap on overhead means in terms of practical politics: It is the Trump administration taking a swing at two favorite targets: science and higher education.

If you want to take a whack at the American scientific enterprise and higher education in general, it’s a smart way to do it. The issue is wonky and difficult for the public to understand—who knows anything about indirect rates? And university administrators don’t make the most attractive faces for public appeals for support.

But the effects will be felt well beyond universities, medical schools, and medical centers.

First, the cuts will especially damage medical research, care, and training. Medical schools and centers are among the largest recipients of these funds. Americans rely on these schools for their health care, with teaching hospitals providing the highest quality of care. Medical centers and schools are also where the vast majority of clinical trials for new medical treatments happen. Notably, private health care entities, including the pharmaceutical industry, are deeply reliant on the biomedical and health research produced at universities across the country. Isabella Eckerle, the Director of the Geneva Centre for Emerging Viral Diseases, said on Bluesky: “I feel so, so sorry for my colleagues in the US. How can someone destroy the decades-long lighthouse of science in less than 2 weeks? The US used to be the place to go to do great science and/or learn state-of-the-art medicine. It’s just pure madness.”

Second, it will cripple a world-beating American industry. American higher education generates lots of stable middle class jobs, and not just in blue states. It generates large positive economic externalities. This handy tool lets you estimate the economic impact of these funds in your state. Universities in places like Michigan, Texas, Wisconsin, Texas, and Georgia can, in no small part because of the quality of their research programs, attract international students who generate about $40 billion per year, subsidizing American students. “Red states have universities too,” observed one unnamed Trump official after the announcement. Although these cuts are presented as budget “savings,” their real effect will be to deeply damage a successful industry, many state economies, and ultimately medical care and our health.

So, yes, the effects of this change will be harmful, maybe dire. But there’s another reason the Trump administration shouldn’t be capping the NIH overhead rate, a simpler reason: It’s illegal."
 
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