Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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PandemicBlue said:
Did millions of illegals not enter our country under Biden? Did the cartels not make billions participating in Biden's human trafficking scheme? Are the cartels not pumping drugs into this country? Are thousands of American not dying as a result? Did Mayorkas not tell us over and over again the border was secure? Do we not have massive trade deficits with the majority of our trading partners? Are we not sending billions of dollars all around the world, much of which going to bs, while so many Americans are in need in this country? Please tell me where I was wrong and be specific.
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BDS, folks
 
ZenMode said:
Regardless of what you think of Trump, Elon or the whole DOGE project, I think bringing to light that taxpayers are spending hundreds of millions, and billions over time, to house immigrants in NY hotels, is a good thing.


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You’d prefer they are “housed” on the street?

Again, this was approved through Congress in a bipartisan vote. Our current laws allow immigrants applying for asylum to stay in the country until their court date, not shipped off to another country. Once they are released from their short-term facility, it’s either find them a place to stay (the humane way), or send them out to the streets (the cruel way) to fend for themselves until that court date.

Don’t like the immigration system? Change the laws or improve our current system by adding judges to speed the process up.

But that’s not the true goal of the Trump administration, is it? They don’t want to improve or streamline the immigration process. They want to eliminate it altogether.
 
ZenMode said:
I do think it's essential that it's brought to light just as the ridiculous USAID expenditures should be brought to light. As to whether or not the President should defy Congress is a question of whether or not he has authority to defy Congress. If he doesn't - no. If he does - yes.

I also wonder if Congress knew that immigrants were being housed in expensive NY hotels or did they just generally approve FEMA money to address housing, not knowing that it was going to be poorly used.

Who decided use NY hotels vs a Motel 6 in the Bronx or housing them in a vacant building or other fiscally responsible options.
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Elon made the claim about “luxury” hotels with zero proof.

“… It was not clear where the $59 million figure came from, and officials did not provide details to AP.

The New York City mayor’s office said it received $81 million in payments from the federal government for immigration-related costs last week in two separate pieces — one of which was about $59 million, with $19 million for direct hotel costs.

New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically housed homeless people in hotels.

… In another post Monday, Musk said that under the Biden administration, FEMA took money away from disaster relief and “spent it on 5 star hotels for illegals.”

Garcia said the city has never paid luxury rates. The vast majority are outside Manhattan, and the government has paid on average $152 a night for rooms, according to a 2024 city comptroller report. In comparison, 5-star hotels in Manhattan for the coming weekend run from $400 a night to well over $1,000.

The payments of $81 million, Garcia said, covered reimbursements for November 2023 to October 2024, including hotel, security, food, and other costs. She said the city applied in April, the money was appropriated last year by Congress, and FEMA allocated it last year. …”

abcnews.go.com

FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable
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PandumbicBoob is undoubtedly a troll and an unserious person - as he has been for years over on IC - but he is also representative of the influence right-wing media has on gullible people and how essential its role is in continuing to sell the cult/mythos of MAGA and Trump so they can maintain power.
 
America is growing tired of the party who thinks it is fine to ignore American citizens in the mountains of NC while they live in tents while at the same time, tries to sneak $59 million out the back door of the EPA to send to New York in order to provide luxury accommodations to people who are not only not American citizens, but who are also here illegally. That on top of the billions already spent. And this is only one example of the many.

But by all means Democrats, keep doing you. Keep exposing what is really important to your party. America needs to know.
 
CFordUNC said:
lmfao "Biden's human trafficking scheme" absolutely sent me. The same demented guy who was a vegetable and napped all day and wasn't actually preisdent and maybe actually wasn't even really alive, according to the right wing, was ALSO running a human trafficking scheme????
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Call it what you want, invasion, mass migration, whatever you feel like it should be labeled. The question is, did any of that not happen under Biden?
 
PandemicBlue said:
Hopefully now we will have a president who will actually try to stop the spiral down. One who will secure the border, try and eliminate the massive amount of waste and fraud our country is involved in, try and keep the rest of the world from taking advantage of the US and the US taxpayer, and instead of stupidly sitting back and watching China rise towards the top over the last 30 years taking advantage of the US, like every president before, will actually hold them accountable for their decades long abuse.
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It's all so laughable that "avoiding waste and fraud" is cited as a point in Trump's favor considering his entire philosophy is "I'm going to do a bunch of corruption out in the open." Musk and Trump will bilk our country for far more than they "save" and the rubes like you will cheer it the whole way.
 
PandemicBlue said:
America is growing tired of the party who thinks it is fine to ignore American citizens in the mountains of NC while they live in tents while at the same time, tries to sneak $59 million out the back door of the EPA to send to New York in order to provide luxury accommodations to people who are not only not American citizens, but who are also here illegally. That on top of the billions already spent. And this is only one example of the many.
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Nobody is ignoring anyone in the mountains of Western NC. But I understand that it suits your narrative better to make up facts because confronting the truth would mean acknowledging that you've been fleeced for years by our country's most legendary con man.
 

One Agency Tried to Regulate SpaceX. Now Its Fate Could Be in Elon Musk’s Hands.​

The Trump ally and DOGE chief is expected to turn his budget-slashing sights on the FAA’s little-known commercial spaceflight office, which has proposed fines and grounded SpaceX after explosions and other incidents.​


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One Agency Tried to Regulate SpaceX. Now Its Fate Could Be in Elon Musk’s Hands.

The Trump ally and DOGE chief is expected to turn his budget-slashing sights on the FAA’s little-known commercial spaceflight office, which has proposed fines and grounded SpaceX after explosions and other incidents.
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“When SpaceX’s Starship exploded in January, raining debris over the Caribbean, the Federal Aviation Administration temporarily grounded the rocket program and ordered an investigation.

The move was the latest in a series of actions taken by the agency against the world’s leading commercial space company.

“Safety drives everything we do at the FAA,” the agency’s chief counsel said in September, after proposing $633,000 in fines for alleged violations related to two previous launches. “Failure of a company to comply with the safety requirements will result in consequences.”

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk’s response was swift and caustic. He accused the agency of engaging in “lawfare” and threatened to sue it for “regulatory overreach.”

“The fundamental problem is that humanity will forever be confined to Earth unless there is radical reform at the FAA!” Musk wrote on X.

Today, Musk is in a unique position to deliver that change. As one of President Donald Trump’s closest advisers and head of the newly created Department of Government Efficiency, he’s presiding over the administration’s effort to cut costs and slash regulation.

… After the fines in September, SpaceX sent a letter to Congress blasting AST for being too slow to keep up with the booming space industry.

… FAA leadership seems to have heard him. The day of Trump’s inauguration, Whitaker stepped down — a full four years before the end of his term.

And experts said the pressure is almost certain to grow this year as Musk pursues an aggressive launch schedule for Starship, the most powerful rocket ever built. …”
 
nycfan said:

One Agency Tried to Regulate SpaceX. Now Its Fate Could Be in Elon Musk’s Hands.​

The Trump ally and DOGE chief is expected to turn his budget-slashing sights on the FAA’s little-known commercial spaceflight office, which has proposed fines and grounded SpaceX after explosions and other incidents.​


www.propublica.org

One Agency Tried to Regulate SpaceX. Now Its Fate Could Be in Elon Musk’s Hands.

The Trump ally and DOGE chief is expected to turn his budget-slashing sights on the FAA’s little-known commercial spaceflight office, which has proposed fines and grounded SpaceX after explosions and other incidents.
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org

“When SpaceX’s Starship exploded in January, raining debris over the Caribbean, the Federal Aviation Administration temporarily grounded the rocket program and ordered an investigation.

The move was the latest in a series of actions taken by the agency against the world’s leading commercial space company.

“Safety drives everything we do at the FAA,” the agency’s chief counsel said in September, after proposing $633,000 in fines for alleged violations related to two previous launches. “Failure of a company to comply with the safety requirements will result in consequences.”

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk’s response was swift and caustic. He accused the agency of engaging in “lawfare” and threatened to sue it for “regulatory overreach.”

“The fundamental problem is that humanity will forever be confined to Earth unless there is radical reform at the FAA!” Musk wrote on X.

Today, Musk is in a unique position to deliver that change. As one of President Donald Trump’s closest advisers and head of the newly created Department of Government Efficiency, he’s presiding over the administration’s effort to cut costs and slash regulation.

… After the fines in September, SpaceX sent a letter to Congress blasting AST for being too slow to keep up with the booming space industry.

… FAA leadership seems to have heard him. The day of Trump’s inauguration, Whitaker stepped down — a full four years before the end of his term.

And experts said the pressure is almost certain to grow this year as Musk pursues an aggressive launch schedule for Starship, the most powerful rocket ever built. …”
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“… The process, on average, takes five months. “It takes a certain amount of time to do the work to protect the public, and you do want to do that right,” Nield said. The consequences of shrinking the office or eliminating it altogether could be devastating, he said.

“If a rocket goes off course, and nobody’s double-checked it, and so you have a major catastrophic event, that’s going to result in a huge backlash.”

But Musk has criticized AST for focusing on “nonsense that doesn’t affect safety.” He’s also emphasized that his company moves quickly and must have failures to learn and improve. Within SpaceX, this approach is known as “rapid iterative development.” And it is not without risk.

Last month, when Starship blew up shortly after liftoff, dozens of airplanes scrambled to avoid falling debris. Residents of the Caribbean islands of Turks and Caicos reported finding pieces of the craft on beaches and roads, and the FAA said a car sustained minor damage.

… Musk, however, downplayed the explosion as “barely a bump in the road.” Moreover, he seemed to brush off safety concerns, posting a video of the flaming debris field with the caption, “Success is uncertain, but entertainment is guaranteed!” …”
 
nycfan said:
Elon made the claim about “luxury” hotels with zero proof.

“… It was not clear where the $59 million figure came from, and officials did not provide details to AP.

The New York City mayor’s office said it received $81 million in payments from the federal government for immigration-related costs last week in two separate pieces — one of which was about $59 million, with $19 million for direct hotel costs.

New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically housed homeless people in hotels.

… In another post Monday, Musk said that under the Biden administration, FEMA took money away from disaster relief and “spent it on 5 star hotels for illegals.”

Garcia said the city has never paid luxury rates. The vast majority are outside Manhattan, and the government has paid on average $152 a night for rooms, according to a 2024 city comptroller report. In comparison, 5-star hotels in Manhattan for the coming weekend run from $400 a night to well over $1,000.

The payments of $81 million, Garcia said, covered reimbursements for November 2023 to October 2024, including hotel, security, food, and other costs. She said the city applied in April, the money was appropriated last year by Congress, and FEMA allocated it last year. …”

abcnews.go.com

FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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So it’s all bullshit by Elon and slurped up as Truth by Magat rubes. Elon knows the 59 million was given to housesthem but has no idea how the money was spent correct? Sounds like the city was in control of that money. Elon can’t see that unless he hacked it or someone leaked it to him. And if that’s the case my guess would be he sought them out and paid them to house these immigrants in 5 star hotels so he could discover “this fraud”.
I’ll reiterate if a Republicans lips are moving they are lying and you are a fool if you believe any of it.
 
nycfan said:
Elon made the claim about “luxury” hotels with zero proof.

“… It was not clear where the $59 million figure came from, and officials did not provide details to AP.

The New York City mayor’s office said it received $81 million in payments from the federal government for immigration-related costs last week in two separate pieces — one of which was about $59 million, with $19 million for direct hotel costs.

New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically housed homeless people in hotels.

… In another post Monday, Musk said that under the Biden administration, FEMA took money away from disaster relief and “spent it on 5 star hotels for illegals.”

Garcia said the city has never paid luxury rates. The vast majority are outside Manhattan, and the government has paid on average $152 a night for rooms, according to a 2024 city comptroller report. In comparison, 5-star hotels in Manhattan for the coming weekend run from $400 a night to well over $1,000.

The payments of $81 million, Garcia said, covered reimbursements for November 2023 to October 2024, including hotel, security, food, and other costs. She said the city applied in April, the money was appropriated last year by Congress, and FEMA allocated it last year. …”

abcnews.go.com

FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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Right, more details are needed but most any hotel in NY city is going to be a more expensive option than non-NY city hotel or using a vacant building, etc...
 
PandemicBlue said:
Call it what you want, invasion, mass migration, whatever you feel like it should be labeled. The question is, did any of that not happen under Biden?
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Why would I answer this? You aren’t here for a good-faith discussion or argument. Your mind is already made up. You guzzle right wing propaganda and want to pass it off as fact. You aren’t interested in discussing nuances or anything that doesn’t fully reinforce your views. That’s why your posts are being met with mockery- because everyone here knows your playbook.

I like to talk a lot of smack, but more than anything else I am always more than happy and even thrilled to have nuanced policy discussions, debates, and disagreements. I read all sorts of stuff, from conservative think tankers to liberal think tankers to progressive think tankers. I love to nerd out on this stuff. But you and none of the rest of the Trump supporters on this board are here for that, because you aren’t here to discuss and debate. You’re here to peddle propaganda and get mad and screech and scream about Joe Biden.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
You’d prefer they are “housed” on the street?

Again, this was approved through Congress in a bipartisan vote. Our current laws allow immigrants applying for asylum to stay in the country until their court date, not shipped off to another country. Once they are released from their short-term facility, it’s either find them a place to stay (the humane way), or send them out to the streets (the cruel way) to fend for themselves until that court date.

Don’t like the immigration system? Change the laws or improve our current system by adding judges to speed the process up.

But that’s not the true goal of the Trump administration, is it? They don’t want to improve or streamline the immigration process. They want to eliminate it altogether.
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"You’d prefer they are “housed” on the street?'

No straw-manning allowed. Please try again.
 
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PandemicBlue said:
America is growing tired of the party who thinks it is fine to ignore American citizens in the mountains of NC while they live in tents while at the same time, tries to sneak $59 million out the back door of the EPA to send to New York in order to provide luxury accommodations to people who are not only not American citizens, but who are also here illegally. That on top of the billions already spent. And this is only one example of the many.

But by all means Democrats, keep doing you. Keep exposing what is really important to your party. America needs to know.
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Nobody was put up in luxury accommodations you twit. You gorge on lies.
 
I expect that by the time they provide bedding, food, sanitation and everything else that a vacant building might be quite a bit more expensive,
 
CFordUNC said:
Why would I answer this? You aren’t here for a good-faith discussion or argument. Your mind is already made up. You guzzle right wing propaganda and want to pass it off as fact. You aren’t interested in discussing nuances or anything that doesn’t fully reinforce your views. That’s why your posts are being met with mockery- because everyone here knows your playbook.

I like to talk a lot of smack, but more than anything else I am always more than happy and even thrilled to have nuanced policy discussions, debates, and disagreements. I read all sorts of stuff, from conservative think tankers to liberal think tankers to progressive think tankers. I love to nerd out on this stuff. But you and none of the rest of the Trump supporters on this board are here for that, because you aren’t here to discuss and debate. You’re here to peddle propaganda and get mad and screech and scream about Joe Biden.
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Why take two paragraphs to avoid a question when you could simply point out the inaccuracies of any of my claims and that would be it? The reason why you don't is because you can't. You know everything I posted is correct. Humor me and prove me wrong....did any of the claims I made not actually happen during Biden's presidency?
 
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