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This process was started under Biden. He asked for companies to express interest or “bid”. Only 1 did. Trump and Rubio both say they have no interest in pursuing it. Not all info was provided in all the links and hysteria.
 
Yes. In the last four years, Russia has been shown to be a second rate power due to our support of Ukraine. China is imploding demographically and likely financially due to bank insolvency and real estate collapse. All we have to do is stand firm and not step on our own damn dicks and they will fall helplessly behind. It doesn't take a genius to win given our overwhelming strength, but a complete jackass who fosters strife internally, economically and with our allies might just be able to fuck it up.
 
Callatoroy said:
She couldn’t even get her own party to vote for her
She had 1 job as VP and she failed spectacularly at it
She can’t even conduct an interview in a coherent way

This article doesn’t paint a picture of strength and leadership

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The Uneasy Alliance Between Kamala Harris and Volodymyr Zelensky

Ukraine's leaders wanted firmer support from the U.S. early in the Russian invasion
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But she was going to outsmart Putin and Xi? Ok. You guys are convinced she was the world leader in waiting and the one to put China and Russia in their place so not going to argue with you.
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The cabinet she would have assembled would be light years better than the morons Trump has assembled in his cabinet. That alone would have given her a huge advantage with dealing with Putin and Jinping. Instead we get Trump, Vance and Hegseth throwing Ukraine under the bus, and cozying up to AfD and Putin.
 
Bobfripp said:
The cabinet she would have assembled would be light years better than the morons Trump has assembled in his cabinet. That alone would have given her a huge advantage with dealing with Putin and Jinping. Instead we get Trump, Vance and Hegseth throwing Ukraine under the bus, and cozying up to AfD and Putin.
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I think the cabinet would have been much the same and her policies would have just been pretty much that of the last 4 years. She struggled very much in the election to articulate much of any position different than Biden’s, especially in foreign policy. Probably should wait until an agreement before saying he threw Ukraine under the bus.
 
Gmonet said:
Yes. In the last four years, Russia has been shown to be a second rate power due to our support of Ukraine. China is imploding demographically and likely financially due to bank insolvency and real estate collapse. All we have to do is stand firm and not step on our own damn dicks and they will fall helplessly behind. It doesn't take a genius to win given our overwhelming strength, but a complete jackass who fosters strife internally, economically and with our allies might just be able to fuck it up.
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I think there is more to being a world leader for the next hundred years than just doing nothing and maintaining the status quo.
 
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Perhaps, but when you have the largest (and far most sound relative to any near peers) economy, and near total military dominance, the status quo ain't so bad. And certainly not worth screwing around with by creating unnecessary political and economic friction that could upend that very favorable status quo.

We are stronger relative to the rest of the world than we were four years ago. Our largest geopolitical rivals have far greater headwinds than we do. We hardly needed to be 'rescued'.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Why would the State Department need a few hundred armored Cybertrucks for transportation in and around US cities?
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Plus, who is doing the armoring work?

If I need an armored vehicle, I’d prefer a better made vehicle than a Tesla, especially a CyberTruck.
 
Callatoroy said:
I think the cabinet would have been much the same and her policies would have just been pretty much that of the last 4 years.
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Which is infinitely better than what we have now. Or have you been ignoring all the news about mass illegal firings, open public corruption and solicitation of quids pro quo, theft of data, theft of money, illegally withheld money, unconstitutional collapse of agencies, disregard of court orders, release of classified information, unknown amounts of malware inserted into the government computing systems (if for no other reason than the fucking morons left the database exposed to the internet for hours upon hours)?

Oh, right. You're the piece of shit who actually approves of revenge prosecutions because he's too stupid to comprehend anything but "go team" and too dishonest to admit that he's been wrong.
 
lawtig02 said:
Of course Biden did. Are you saying the US was on the same geopolitical level as Russia and China on January 20 at 11:59am? Biden was far from perfect, but he was a fine steward of America’s role as the global superpower.
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I’m saying world leaders are “respected or feared” such that you don’t have 2 allies invaded by enemies unless they don’t respect and fear that leadership and sense weakness. I don’t think the Biden / Harris team projected strength, do you? I also think China’s role as a world leader and influencer grew while ours shrunk.
 
Zoo_View said:
Plus, who is doing the armoring work?

If I need an armored vehicle, I’d prefer a better made vehicle than a Tesla, especially a CyberTruck.
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There is an armoring specialist listed as a party in one of the articles I read, though it usually specializes in armoring for private customers IIRC.
 
Gmonet said:
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Perhaps, but when you have the largest (and far most sound relative to any near peers) economy, and near total military dominance, the status quo ain't so bad. And certainly not worth screwing around with by creating unnecessary political and economic friction that could upend that very favorable status quo.

We are stronger relative to the rest of the world than we were four years ago. Our largest geopolitical rivals have far greater headwinds than we do. We hardly needed to be 'rescued'.
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Not intended as an insult but I despise the status quo. If you aren’t growing, getting more efficient and lean, and driving development you are going backwards. I definitely think china’s role as a leader on the world stage grew and ours took a step back. I agree we don’t need to be “rescued”. But she would have had us stagnant and possibly looking at China visiting Taiwan without an invitation.
 
“Subcommittee Chairwoman Greene: “Mr. Talcove, do private sector companies have a lower rate of improper payments than the federal government?”

Mr. Talcove: “Yes. The fraud rate, that the criminals are taking advantage of the public sector is around 20%. In the private sector, it’s around 3%. And it’s really because the tools that are used in the private sector, aren’t used in the public sector. Front end identity verification, self-certification, and then finally, making sure that individuals are who they say they are. If we start using these tools, you will see the fraud rate go down dramatically because for the most part, this fraud isn’t taking place by individuals. It’s individuals whose identities have been stolen on the dark web.”

Subcommittee Chairwoman Greene: “We would say the private companies that pretty much have to exist on a 20% profit rate. They can’t continue to be successful if they were to allow their customers data to be something like that and used by criminals. However, the federal government, who can continue printing checks and continue an operation, never fixes its problems because it can’t be forced to go out of business. Would you agree with that, Yes or no?”

Mr. Talcove: “Yes.”
 

Trump administration says it has no plans to fulfill $400 million 'armored Tesla' contract​



“The State Department said Thursday it is abandoning plans of purchasing $400 million worth of armored Tesla vehicles after a public document detailing federal contracts for fiscal year 2025 gained wide attention.

That expected purchase of Teslas, which was slated for September of this year, is now on hold, according to the State Department, which now says it has no plans of fulfilling the contract.

… After reports circulated Wednesday night of the State Department's intent to purchase Tesla vehicles, NPR noticed that the document was edited, at 9:12 p.m., to say the federal contract is for $400 million worth of "armored electric vehicles," but the word "Tesla" was removed.

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The Tesla contract started in the Biden administration "to explore interest from private companies to produce armored electric vehicles," a State Department spokesperson said on Thursday.

Tesla was the only company to express interest in the department's request at the time.

Typically the next step would be "an official solicitation" for vehicle manufacturers to compete for the contract. But now, the solicitation is on hold, according to the State Department spokesperson. …”
 
Callatoroy said:
“Subcommittee Chairwoman Greene: “Mr. Talcove, do private sector companies have a lower rate of improper payments than the federal government?”

Mr. Talcove: “Yes. The fraud rate, that the criminals are taking advantage of the public sector is around 20%. In the private sector, it’s around 3%. And it’s really because the tools that are used in the private sector, aren’t used in the public sector. Front end identity verification, self-certification, and then finally, making sure that individuals are who they say they are. If we start using these tools, you will see the fraud rate go down dramatically because for the most part, this fraud isn’t taking place by individuals. It’s individuals whose identities have been stolen on the dark web.”

Subcommittee Chairwoman Greene: “We would say the private companies that pretty much have to exist on a 20% profit rate. They can’t continue to be successful if they were to allow their customers data to be something like that and used by criminals. However, the federal government, who can continue printing checks and continue an operation, never fixes its problems because it can’t be forced to go out of business. Would you agree with that, Yes or no?”

Mr. Talcove: “Yes.”
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Yes. Mr. Talcove said the fraud rate was 20%. Just happens to be a nice round number like that. Implausibly high, but sure, why would he lie? Oh, his business is hoping to sell anti-fraud software to the government? Oh, he's been out there talking about the government's outdated systems and how they need to buy his products? Oh, what motivation could he possibly have to make shit up?

You people are so credulous. The idea that one out of every five federal payments is fraudulent -- I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you?
 
We have been growing. Must faster than near peers. And we are most certainly leading development. Fomenting trade wars and creating labor shortages sure as hell isn't going to help our economy grow.

What has China done in the past four years that would make you say that? The implosion of Evergreen? The lockdowns that made our modest COVID regs look like a frat party? The revelations that they are in the midst of demographic collapse? And the best way to extend an invitation to China w/r/t Taiwan would be to reward aggression in Ukraine. Pretty sure Harris wouldn't have done that, but it is certainly looking as if the current admin is trending in that direction.
 
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