Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[HandsonFire]

And the problem with YOUR rationale is that you attribute opinions to people despite the fact they've never held that belief. Nobody on this thread has EVER assumed or stated there is no fraud and inefficiency in government. But you don't weed fraud out by removing entire departments from our government.

Explain to me how firing 1260 members of the CDC's Epidemic Intelligence Service is eliminating fraud and inefficiency. These are the people designed to track and locate new viruses before they spread and become epidemics. Explain to me how that makes our country more safe. Explain how that benefits us to not be able to adequately prepare for possible health crises that may arise.

Science is fake news hur dee hur

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Science is fake news hur dee hur

Just trust in Republican Jeezus and it will all turn out alright!

 

[BlueCheckmark]

It was posted earlier than the entire federal workforce is only 15% of the federal budget, so firing even 5% of the workforce would only save 1% of the budget -- so this obviously has nothing to do with savings or efficiency.

I believe the entire civilian workforce is actually just over 4% of the budget. A CBO study stated $271 billion in compensation to 2.3 million civilian employees in 2022. So you would need to cut around 600,000 to conceivably get to about 1% of the budget or ~$68 billion. Those cuts would also need to be evenly distributed across the wage spectrum to even achieve that.

 

[Silence Dogood]

So the way to fix that is to literally gut the government and abolish whole departments and agencies that have existed and done good work for decades, and fire millions of government workers and cut off vital research funding for things like cancer and vaccine research? I'm sorry but that's insane and wildly impractical. It's like cutting off an entire arm to get rid of a hangnail.

You went way off the rails and started exaggerating.

 

[Silence Dogood]

Nobody is assuming there is no fraud. Fraud has always existed and to some extent will always exist.

There are also far more capable procedures already in place to find and root out fraud. It isn’t a battle you just win. It is and will always be a constant battle.

Most importantly, the two fraudsters you have put in charge aren’t interested in rooting out fraud. In fact they are removing all of the checks that exist. Instead they are interested in perpetuating their own fraud and DOGE is just a propaganda campaign to give them cover to do it.

There isn't capable procedures in place, hence the mess the govt is in. What fraud is taking place thus far in this administration??

 

[Patb78]

That's what is so crazy about all this. By arming Ukraine we were helping to bleed the Russian military dry and hurting Putin without sacrificing anything ourselves, other than the money we were spending to supply Ukraine with weapons. For us it was a win-win situation. And now Trump is going to screw it all up because he's a Putin and dictator fanboy and wants to help him out. Again, it's crazy time in US foreign policy, even more so than it was in his first term. Kiss up to our enemies and rivals and piss off all of our allies to the maximum degree possible. And this time it will likely take years to fix the damage, if that will even be possible.

There is something our trumpers need to address for us. Trump is making it crystal clear that America under him can’t be trusted. Trust is a hard thing to get. It is easy to lose. It is almost impossible to regain. We have been the leader of the free world for 80 years now. But now, none of our allies will ever be able to trust us again. They will not look to us for leadership. We are threatening our nearest allies and giving assurances to our enemies. WTF trumpers? Your man is destroying in a few short weeks what it took our presidents from FDR to Biden 80 years to build. Unfucking believable.

 

[evrheel]

From the short video on blue sky, it is clear, Trump does not like children.

 

[evrheel]

This is so absurd. A real, proper audit could have been a real benefit. This is a farce.

Just wait till Trump's non-stimulative tax cuts; they'll give it all back and more

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Just trust in Republican Jeezus and it will all turn out alright!

 

[BlueSmoke]

What's the basis for this claim? Compare Kamala's preparation in foreign policy to the following presidents prior to them taking office:

Trump
Obama
GWB
Clinton

A couple of them did pretty well on foreign policy. Bush 41 had extensive foreign policy experience. I can't remember whether Reagan did or not.

Reagan had ZERO. Kinda makes your point I would think.

 

[BlueSmoke]

There is something our trumpers need to address for us. Trump is making it crystal clear that America under him can’t be trusted. Trust is a hard thing to get. It is easy to lose. It is almost impossible to regain. We have been the leader of the free world for 80 years now. But now, none of our allies will ever be able to trust us again. They will not look to us for leadership. We are threatening our nearest allies and giving assurances to our enemies. WTF trumpers? Your man is destroying in a few short weeks what it took our presidents from FDR to Biden 80 years to build. Unfucking believable.

To dovetails your Trumpers ask: I've always thought American engagement in the world has tremendous economic benefits for us. At least that was the argument Conservative Republicans used to argue. They need to explain how our pulling back is not going to hurt our economy?

 

[Icky Mettle]

Or this…

You’d laugh at the ineptitude of this if this were a country like Russia, but considering it is our country, you can’t laugh; you can only be afraid and embarrassed.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Consumption growth that outpaced peers (was worst among peers under Trump 1.0)



Strong labor force participation (and big relative improvement from Trump 1.0)



Impressive relative inflation reduction (after Trump 1.0 had us leading the pack by the end of his term)


Outstanding attraction of capital investment

great poast.

 

[Wheels81]

 

[NOVAHEEL13]

If that were Biden’s administration, he would have been impeached and removed from office with most democrats voting for removal.

The incompetence is staggering.

it's not incompetence. it's intentional ignorance, hate, and narcissism.

 

[Batt Boy]

Why are rangers at our National Parks being fired? Pitiful. Already understaffed and over worked. I get it, private enterprise can be good but the government should contribute to parks, museums, libraries and such.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

They're just alphas, whattaya want.

 

[superrific]

Why are rangers at our National Parks being fired? Pitiful. Already understaffed and over worked. I get it, private enterprise can be good but the government should contribute to parks, museums, libraries and such.

How often do you think Musk or Trump ever visits a national park? I think that's your answer. I doubt Trump has even set foot in one his entire life.

 

[superrific]

There's no way Elon fathered all those kids. You know he pays people to level up his video game characters? Yeah, I don't think that's the only thing he's been paying for.

 

[Ramrouser]

Personally, I’m fine with Musk fathering a lot of US citizens. Imagine the average IQ of the bunch. Plus, he can afford ‘em.