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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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rodoheel said:
Class-action lawsuit, anyone?
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I dunno, who is the injured class? People who gave their info for the fake contest? What’s their injury? I am not a litigator, though, so maybe others see potential there.
 
nycfan said:
I dunno, who is the injured class? People who gave their info for the fake contest? What’s their injury? I am not a litigator, though, so maybe others see potential there.
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I doubt there's a viable class action here, but if Elon's taking their personal information and monetizing it in a way that causes some type of measurable harm to them, I guess you could make the argument and see where it goes.

The bigger risk, in my view, is he's committing some type of wire fraud, which is of course a crime. Not likely to be charged, but it's incredible to me the world's richest man, with billions at stake, would take serious risks like this to run a scam for the king of all scam artists.
 
nycfan said:
I dunno, who is the injured class? People who gave their info for the fake contest? What’s their injury? I am not a litigator, though, so maybe others see potential there.
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Yeah it would likely be a pretty attenuated damages argument. But you could perhaps make out this argument:
  1. I was induced to sign this petition with the understanding that by doing so, I had an equal opportunity to win money with everyone else who signed up; in other words, I was told if I signed up, I would receive something of value (implied value of maybe a dollar or less, but still something of value)
  2. I was not, in fact, given something of value, because in reality I did not have an equal chance to win
  3. I was thereby damaged in the amount of the implied value of the random chance to win $1 million
Even if the "value" is tiny, certain states' unfair practices acts (Little FTC Acts) may be broad enough to cover such actions, and may provide for minimum statutory damages in addition to, or instead of, actual damages. And/or the state AGs offices could be entitled to file an action to impose fines.
 
lawtig02 said:
I doubt there's a viable class action here, but if Elon's taking their personal information and monetizing it in a way that causes some type of measurable harm to them, I guess you could make the argument and see where it goes.

The bigger risk, in my view, is he's committing some type of wire fraud, which is of course a crime. Not likely to be charged, but it's incredible to me the world's richest man, with billions at stake, would take serious risks like this to run a scam for the king of all scam artists.
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Elon could end up losing, in various ways, the vast majority of the biggest individual fortune in the history of the world all because he got "red-pilled" by a bunch of internet trolls a few years ago. Just absolutely laughable - dude loved making 69/420 jokes so much that he somehow set himself on a path to alienate all of his customers and governmental partners for the sake of trying to become the king of memelords around the world. He will forever be the example that proves that the idea that capitalism inevitably rewards merit is bunk, because he became the world's richest man despite never advancing past the emotional level of a teenager.
 
rodoheel said:
Elon could end up losing, in various ways, the vast majority of the biggest individual fortune in the history of the world all because he got "red-pilled" by a bunch of internet trolls a few years ago. Just absolutely laughable - dude loved making 69/420 jokes so much that he somehow set himself on a path to alienate all of his customers and governmental partners for the sake of trying to become the king of memelords around the world. He will forever be the example that proves that the idea that capitalism inevitably rewards merit is bunk, because he became the world's richest man despite never advancing past the emotional level of a teenager.
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He's kind of the Howard Hughes of the social media age.
 
www.mediaite.com

Elon Musk Claims on Rogan There Is ‘No Way’ X Will Be Allowed To ‘Exist’ Under Harris: ‘They Can Sic the DOJ’

Elon Musk claimed on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast that his social media platform X will be allowed to "exist" if Kamala Harris wins the presidency.
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Elon Musk Claims on Rogan There Is ‘No Way’ X Will Be Allowed To ‘Exist’ Under Harris: ‘They Can Sic the DOJ’​


"... Musk pointed to organizations like the nonprofit Center for Countering Digital Hate — which he argued gives itself away with its Orwellian name — have pushed advertisers to boycott X and he expects more negative attention from the government if Trump loses.

Musk called the Center for Countering Digital Hate a “censorship organization.” Musk’s X Corp. previously sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate, claiming they exaggerated harmful content on the social media platform to turn away advertisers.

“I think if Trump wins, we’ll see, you know, probably most of the boycott will lift,” Musk predicted. “But if Kamala wins, we’ll see that boycott gets stronger and they’ll friggin’ shut [X] down. There’s no way that a Kamala puppet regime would allow X to exist.”


Rogan pushed Musk on this, asking whether he thinks this is an actual potential scenario and Musk claimed the Department of Justice would eventually come after him over what is deemed harmful “misinformation” or “hate speech.”

“They can sic the DOJ on you know, and say, like, you know, they’ve got this whole thing about like hate speech, misinformation or whatever, except that they’re the ones pushing the misinformation, but that doesn’t stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ,” he said. ..."
 
rodoheel said:
Hearing in the case over Elon’s million-dollar giveaways today. What a shocker - turns out Elon was totally lying before when he said the winners would be chosen at random, or his lawyer is lying now when he says they’re not:

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This assertion from Musk's lawyer is astonishing.

"Gober argued there's a difference between "randomly" and "by chance," which is why he argued that this isn't an illegal lottery under PA gaming laws."

Now, I'm a guy who doesn't mind splitting hairs. Sometimes I like it. I certainly like to be precise with language, and often I'm the guy in the conversation saying, "A and B are similar, but not exactly the same."

And I can't for the life of me discern any significant difference between randomly and by chance. They are exactly the same.
 
nycfan said:


I do wish media would rediscover “alleged” to qualify prosecutorial (and other) allegations
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I disagree entirely. The media has come to broadcast any number of verifiable lies without such qualifications. If we allow the media to write "Mr. Trump claims that [craziness]" then we should allow "Prosecutors claim that [ ]" and we don't need the word alleged to show up in a tiny subset of possible vectors of misinformation.
 
nycfan said:
www.mediaite.com

Elon Musk Claims on Rogan There Is ‘No Way’ X Will Be Allowed To ‘Exist’ Under Harris: ‘They Can Sic the DOJ’

Elon Musk claimed on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast that his social media platform X will be allowed to "exist" if Kamala Harris wins the presidency.
www.mediaite.com www.mediaite.com

Elon Musk Claims on Rogan There Is ‘No Way’ X Will Be Allowed To ‘Exist’ Under Harris: ‘They Can Sic the DOJ’​


"... Musk pointed to organizations like the nonprofit Center for Countering Digital Hate — which he argued gives itself away with its Orwellian name — have pushed advertisers to boycott X and he expects more negative attention from the government if Trump loses.

Musk called the Center for Countering Digital Hate a “censorship organization.” Musk’s X Corp. previously sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate, claiming they exaggerated harmful content on the social media platform to turn away advertisers.

“I think if Trump wins, we’ll see, you know, probably most of the boycott will lift,” Musk predicted. “But if Kamala wins, we’ll see that boycott gets stronger and they’ll friggin’ shut [X] down. There’s no way that a Kamala puppet regime would allow X to exist.”


Rogan pushed Musk on this, asking whether he thinks this is an actual potential scenario and Musk claimed the Department of Justice would eventually come after him over what is deemed harmful “misinformation” or “hate speech.”

“They can sic the DOJ on you know, and say, like, you know, they’ve got this whole thing about like hate speech, misinformation or whatever, except that they’re the ones pushing the misinformation, but that doesn’t stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ,” he said. ..."
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Elon whining that he might lose his hate speech / disinformation toy :rolleyes:
 
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