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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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HeelingAg said:
I.e. people who convince themselves they're very special little boys and girls.
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That's humans' reason to be. There is not a philosophy or religion on earth that doesn't exalt man's place on earth and in the universe. Even those who speak of subjugation to a divine power presupposes that any such power has a reason to be interested in them and offer them sustenance, guidance and protection. Considering the age and size of the universe ,I tend to feel such arrogance is a bit undeserved.
 
finesse said:
That's humans' reason to be. There is not a philosophy or religion on earth that doesn't exalt man's place on earth and in the universe. Even those who speak of subjugation to a divine power presupposes that any such power has a reason to be interested in them and offer them sustenance, guidance and protection. Considering the age and size of the universe ,I tend to feel such arrogance is a bit undeserved.
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Oh, I know. Like most here, I grew up in the crimson depths of evangelical land. The entire ethos of the place was I am special, you are special, we are special [but really I’m most special]. Ttump and rfkj have that extra special layer brought on by having never felt loved, and/or antisocial disorder.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I think as get into the Trump 47 term, we’re going to view the Trump 45 term sort of like how we viewed the George W. Bush years during/after the Trump 45 term.
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I think there is a pretty strong possibility that that is correct, although I do think that a potential silver lining is that for as chaotic and generally ineffective as the first Trump administration was outside of the successful implementation of the tax cuts, there were at least mostly reasonably competent adults in the room in the cabinet positions and in key administration positions. This time around, there will be exactly zero- maybe one if you consider Marco Rubio. MAGA is extremely effective as an oppositional out party, but extremely ineffective as an actual governing party. There are going to be so many unequivocally unqualified and outright disqualified people in almost every administrative position in Trump 2.0 that I think there is a good bet that there will be tons of unimaginably stupid incompetence. That’s not to say that they won’t do some damage – in fact I am sure they will. But I think that a possible saving grace for the next four years is that this administration is going to be so full of so many actually come up legitimately stupid people who are not good at getting anything done other than performative political theater for 30% of the US population.
 


Reckon PawPaw and MawMaw are going to be in a whole world of hurt when they go buy their Co-Colar and Nabs at Wally World.
 
nycfan said:

CNN (@cnn.com)

The $7,500 tax credit for buyers of electric vehicles could be vanishing early in the new Trump administration, but that might actually be good news for Tesla and its CEO Elon Musk, one of President-elect Donald Trump’s most prominent backers...
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Another reward for Elon. Potentially more important to him than EV tax credits.

  • The incoming Trump administration intends to prioritize loosening federal regulations for self-driving cars, per a report by Bloomberg.
  • The report claims policy details aren't yet confirmed, but it suggests the new rules could make it easier to get more fully autonomous vehicles on the road.
  • Reducing roadblocks would benefit companies that have invested in self-driving tech, including Tesla, which recently debuted the Cybercab.

 
bassydude77 said:
When you go very far left (natural health to the extreme) and to the very far right (climate denier, chemtrails, etc) - those paths on the circle eventually meet, which is where we find RFK and Trump. Mistrust of the experts. The overlap of the "do your own research" vein diagram.
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uncjhodges said:
This just pisses me off. Of course that is that case. But where were these stories/journalists/companies pre election?
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They wagered that they could easily pressure Trump while in office to pursue his policies that are favorable to them and not the ones that are unfavorable to them.

Will probably pay off. Now that Trump is in power, he cares about power players only. That’s the only thing he will be susceptible to.

Same reason we will get RFK using the bully pulpit against vaccines but none of the other stuff that actually challenges powerful corporate interests. If RFK manages to make our food safer and ban pharma bans, I’ll eat my hat.
 
“The real purpose of Donald Trump’s controversial, unqualified Cabinet picks is to allow the president-elect to recreate an “imperial presidency” in which he has complete and total control, legendary Watergate reporter Bob Woodward told MSNBC’s Jen Psaki on Monday.

Trump wants to utterly destroy the system of government and is essentially saying with his inexperienced Cabinet choices ― such as Fox News’ Pete Hegseth for defense secretary ― that, “I can do whatever I want, it’s up to me alone,” explained Woodward.

“Having written three books on Trump, spent hours with him, the goal is to give him all the say, all the power,” the veteran journalist suggested.

The “check engine light has just gone off and we’ve pulled into the wrong store,” Woodward concluded. “It makes no sense and it’s a form of giving his middle finger to the American people.”
 
farce© said:
“The real purpose of Donald Trump’s controversial, unqualified Cabinet picks is to allow the president-elect to recreate an “imperial presidency” in which he has complete and total control, legendary Watergate reporter Bob Woodward told MSNBC’s Jen Psaki on Monday.

Trump wants to utterly destroy the system of government and is essentially saying with his inexperienced Cabinet choices ― such as Fox News’ Pete Hegseth for defense secretary ― that, “I can do whatever I want, it’s up to me alone,” explained Woodward.

“Having written three books on Trump, spent hours with him, the goal is to give him all the say, all the power,” the veteran journalist suggested.

The “check engine light has just gone off and we’ve pulled into the wrong store,” Woodward concluded. “It makes no sense and it’s a form of giving his middle finger to the American people.”
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Comments like that one by Woodward are ones that I think may not really be helpful at this point. Like, if you say Trump is going to make himself emperor, then anything short of that will feel not that bad. Save the outrage for when he actually does the imperial shit. I really think that's part of the problem with how voters reacted to the last Trump presidency - until COVID it really felt like things were business as usual, when liberals were all doom and gloom about how Trump was going to be a dictator. (Of course it's absurd that people just basically choose to forget COVID and J6, but, well, we can't really fix that at this point.)
 
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uncjhodges said:
This just pisses me off. Of course that is that case. But where were these stories/journalists/companies pre election?
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To be fair there were numerous stories pre-election about the fact that tariffs would raise prices. But no one should be surprised that a company like Wal-Mart wouldn't speak out against a Trump presidency during the election.
 
rodoheel said:
To be fair there were numerous stories pre-election about the fact that tariffs would raise prices. But no one should be surprised that a company like Wal-Mart wouldn't speak out against a Trump presidency during the election.
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Then they should keep their yaps shut after the fact.
 
rodoheel said:
Comments like that one by Jen Psaki are ones that I think may not really be helpful at this point. Like, if you say Trump is going to make himself emperor, then anything short of that will feel not that bad. Save the outrage for when he actually does the imperial shit. I really think that's part of the problem with how voters reacted to the last Trump presidency - until COVID it really felt like things were business as usual, when liberals were all doom and gloom about how Trump was going to be a dictator. (Of course it's absurd that people just basically choose to forget COVID and J6, but, well, we can't really fix that at this point.)
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I don’t think any of those quotes was attributed to Psaki, but I agree with the point about “worst case scenario” talk. It sets the lowest bar possible, on every front. He could clear every one of them and still cause immense harm, but the table is set for MAGA to say “see, he wasn’t that bad.”
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I don’t think any of those quotes was attributed to Psaki, but I agree with the point about “worst case scenario” talk. It sets the lowest bar possible, on every front. He could clear every one of them and still cause immense harm, but the table is set for MAGA to say “see, he wasn’t that bad.”
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You're right, it was Woodward to Psaki, I've corrected.
 
farce© said:
The real purpose of Donald Trump’s controversial, unqualified Cabinet picks is to allow the president-elect to recreate an “imperial presidency”
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This reminds me of when folks got shouted down for “overreacting” to ttump’s 2016 win - then hundreds of thousands of Americans died as a result. Lots of folks, with not particularly sophisticated understandings of history and human psychology, have been saying ttump and the GQP are fascists, with the intent of cementing authoritarianism in 2025.

Lots of folks continue to be blinded by the inculcation of some mythological American exceptionalism.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I think it’s very possible that I may hate Elon Musk more than I hate Donald Trump.
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The full reach of his impact on the 2025 presidential election still hasn't come to light. I don't believe he didn't violate FEC campaign contribution limits and disclosure requirements, even if indirectly. The new information recently reported on false flag digital campaigning is also highly disturbing and there are no safeguards against it.
 
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